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Again? They only need to introduce it once.
What do you think the chances that this will pass? I am all for self responsibility. I am surprised that there have not been more comments on this and personally would love to read other members thoughts on this.
I don't think the chances are very high, but with that said, you should contact your State Reps, and at least then you can't say you didn't try.Quote:
Originally Posted by battle_sight_zero
This is why there weren't more comments in this thread:
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34292
In theory i like this. I have my CCW permit, the only thing i dont like about the current process is having to pay.
I think some way they need to keep the application process. First, I think you still should have to take a class, education is always good even to those who shoot and carry every day. It can reinforce what you already know, or if can teach the new person basic knowledge that is highly important.
Second, it will insure that only leagal people are leagaling carrying. Yes I know criminals will carry anyway without getting a permit, but having a permit removes the police from questioning if youc an legaly carry and says "hey look at me I follow the law."
Last your finger prints are now on file, so that one person who stupidly comits a crime will now get caught. If you dont plan on commiting a crime why does it matter if your figer prints are on record or not?
I do think they should change it to a small fee like 25-50$ total! and must issue within 30 days.
I know most of you will not agree with my second or third statement, but it is hard to argue with still having a class be manditory, no matter how little the person pays attention in the class.
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I'm just kind of pirating what RMGO typed, and emailing this off today:
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Hello,
I'm sending you this email today to let you know of my support for HB1205.
This bill is designed to do one thing: allow citizens who are legally eligible to possess handguns to carry that handgun concealed, without obtaining a costly, burdensome and bureaucratic permit.
This bill doesn't get rid of the existing permits. It just gives citizens another option for self defense. That's what I call real freedom.
One of the chief advantages this bill presents is that citizens are not put on any government tracking list merely for carrying the tools for self defense, nor do they have to pay fees for a permit.
I've heard a lot of people say "The Constitution is my permit", but this actually gives teeth to that thought.
Citizens in Vermont, Alaska and Arizona currently enjoy that right, and Wyoming could be joining that list in the next few weeks.
Just as important as what HB1205 does are what it does not do:
- Does not repeal or otherwise change Colorado’s existing concealed carry permit law (CRS 18-12-201).
- Does not authorize the carrying of a concealed handgun by felons, the mentally ill, juveniles or anyone otherwise prohibited from possessing a handgun under state and federal law.
- Does not change where concealed handguns are allowed as defined by CRS 18-12-214.
- Does not affect reciprocity agreements with other states in any manner.
- Does not affect the ability of prosecutors to pursue charges for other crimes.
This bill is a major step for freedom, and is something every gun owner in Colorado should get behind.
Even if you already have a concealed carry permit (which I do), this bill is still a major advance for freedom, since it wouldn't affect my current permit.
Thank you for your time, and I urge you to support this as well.
email sent.
The Constitution is my petition.
sweet, so maybe you should forward it to them. I don't disagree, but unfortunately they don't tend to follow the constitution, so we need to make our voices heard a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I was being sarcastic.
That would be the most lazy thing ever.
This is a good thing.
Hopefully the House Judiciary Committee is better than the Senate State, Veterans, and Military Affairs Committee, which has squashed anything related to firearms lately.
How is this going to get past the Governor?
email sent to every rep
it wont.Quote:
Originally Posted by hip55
Unless it benefits illegal aliens in some way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bitter Clinger
I know one of the Co-sponsors, Rep. Priola, very well. I know he will fight hard for this. He and I talked about it the other day.
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[Byte Stryke],
Thank you for contacting me regarding HB 1205 which as you know would authorize a law abiding individual to carry a concealed handgun without a permit. The bill has been assigned to be heard this Thursday the 24th in the House Judiciary Committee. As the first co-sponsor on this bill I will always defend the right of law abiding citizens to possess firearms as guaranteed in the Second Amendment.
I will work hard to help ensure that this bill passes out of committee and I appreciate you taking the time to contact me in support of this important piece of legislation.
Thanks,
Jerry Sonnenberg
Colorado State Representative
4465 Road 63
Sterling, CO 80751
303-866-3706
www.ElectSonnenberg.com
I know you were. Sad thing is that I hear so many responses like that, but they never do anything about itQuote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Byte,
Better response than I got. I received one auto-email from Crisanta Duran, saying thank you for your email, and nothing from the rest...
did you attach a copy of your DD214 and your voter registration card?Quote:
Originally Posted by ghettodub
:D
You can track the progress of this legislation here:
http://www.coloradocapitolwatch.com/...&bnn=HB11-1205
I received three responces so far:
One was just a thank you for contacting form email stating their aid would review.
The other two I believe were from the actual rep that stated there were in favor of the legislation, they were co-sponsors, and would continue to fight for 2nd Amend rights.
I Firmly believe in the right of private companies, schools and properties to dictate the policies of their properties. As such all Private Entities would NOT be eligible for State or federal Funds if they do not comply with Constitutional requirements.Quote:
“For us, this issue is not specifically about handguns, it’s about the authority of the regents to govern the University of Colorado’s campuses as set out in the Colorado Constitution,” said Ken McConnellogue, spokesman for the CU System.
I JUST went to send out my email, only to realize that I am nearly 12 hours late. Fail for me. I'll send them one anyway I guess.
Looks like it passed yesterday's hearing, so one step closer!
Woo Hoo,, some progress.
Im gonna weigh in and say i think CC is a bad idea.
Personally I think it opens the door to any yahoo who thinks carrying a gun will be , cool, fun, or this is going to be the wild west or whatever.
I am not LEO but do consider myself highly trained and think carrying should be left as it is now, concealed and subject to all the constraints it takes to carry as such.
Caveat: By reading this I am going to be in the minority so I am fully open for you all to discuss the pros and cons of it.......Maybe i enjoy the elite status of being able to CCW ( hardly )........ but i just dont see how allowing everyone to carry is going to be better than it is now, other than we all wouldnt be on a state or federal database.
Everyone can carry in their vehicles now, allowing CC won't be any different.
AK47, im interested in your opinion on open carry. Any 18yo and up who can legally own a firearm can open carry a handgun just about any where (no schools, fed buildings...ect). If you think that this House Bill is gonna encourage "yahoo's" to carry a gun and make it the wild west why wouldn't they already?
Open Carry...Why advertise or create attention is my thought. 18 years carry a handgun? You mean 21. sorry im sort on time for this response as i have a haircut to get to.....be back in a little bit. LOL
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Originally Posted by Geardo
yes, colorado state law allows 18 and up to legally carry. I would prefer to CC yet i am not able to obtain my CHP b/c age yet i can open carry dang near anywhere. Surprisingly not many people notice it too (that im aware of).
I emailed my rep, I will call when I get off work.
I want to see how far it will go.
Unless the laws and literature have changed the minimum age for concealed carry of a handgun is 21.
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Originally Posted by Geardo
Alaska, Arizona, and Vermont already have very similar laws. Several other states will soon. Those states have not seen an increase in killings because of the laws, so how many states will it take to convince you?Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47 Ranger
In other news, Wyoming moved their bill through the House on Wednesday 48-8.
That is awesome!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
Like I stated, thats my opinion. Im a CCW guy who has done his homework and watches this stuff carefully so I know about the stats. All I saying that im not convinced CC is a great idea.
There is already, and again in my opinion.... a serious lack of training for quite a lot of people that have got the CCW permits and i think that CC promotes the potential for unsafe behavior even further. If there is no required permit to get it , no training and no extensive BG than any, Tom, Dick and Harry can just start walking around with a gun tucked in their pants and frankly, that scares me.
I know for a fact that at 21 there was no way I was even close enough to be responsible for ccw ( 40 now )or the ramifications of being in a shoot and thats pretty scary. I know that everyones MMV but its it what it is.
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Originally Posted by jz2008