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Not so much concerned about downrange energy or anything. Just want to punch holes in paper at 200yds.
Obviously, calibers other than .22LR are going to be more expensive. That's OK if they're substantially better at 200yds:
.17 HM2
.17 HMR
.22 LR
.22 WMRF
In summary, what would be the least-expensive choice that still gives good performance.
Mike
I have a marlin in .22 wmr and I'm not that impressed with it.. in fact, I think the last tiime I shot it was in the 80's :shock:
I hear the 17 hmr is pretty good, and I'd like to try it myself. I wish I could get a replacement bbl for my marlin. (model 25m)
Looks like only the 22LR and 17HM2 are available with 10rd magazines.
The 17HMR and 22 WMRF are 9rd magazines.
Kind of a bummer, but not necessarily a deal-breaker.
Mike
17hmr is going to be the best at 200. I have a Marlin 917 and like it a lot.
I really wanted 10rd magazines, which appears to mean 22 LR or .17 HM2.
Anybody played w/17HM2 @ 200yds?
Mike
Any thoughts on the CZ452 / CZ453?
Mike
i have the 452 ZKM and it does what i want it to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by michael_aos
these were best selling bolt action .22's i sold when i was @ jensen's years ago. guarenteed the buyer be happy or i would personally buy it back from them (no takers) i had oliver@ ironridge guns thread the bbl and move the rear sight back. suppressed is even better :)
The CZ is actually a lot less expensive (retail) than the Ruger 77/17.
Kimber makes one call the 17 Pro Varmint, but I don't think 10rd magazines are available.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/...varmint_22.jpg
Here's the Ruger I was looking at:
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...ducts/225H.gif
With 200yd performance and a 10rd magazine in mind...
It looks like there are 3 brands in 17 HMR or 17 HM2.
CZ 452 / 453, Ruger 77/17 and Savage Mark II.
The less-expensive HM2 is appealing, but I just don't know about it's paper-punching-potential at 200yds.
Mike
Check out rimfirecentral if you havn't already. Most say out of the box the CZ is better than the Ruger. I still take my stance that the HMR is going to be a lot better than the HM2.
The 17gr 17HMR is definitely the flattest-shooting.
I'm just grasping at the thought that maybe the 17HM2 is "good enough", whatever that means.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...o/17hmrdp2.png
The last time I priced the .17 ammo, I wondered why I'd want to pay almost as much as I do for .223.
The thought definitely crossed my mind as well. That's part of the appeal of the 17HM2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
I don't think anyone makes a bolt-action .223 with a 10rd detachable box magazine, do they?
Mike
CZ lists 10rd .22LR magazines for the 452 only.
I'd like to think those same magazines would feed 10rds of .17 HM2, but it doesn't actually say that.
Mike
I have been getting mine for $7.18 per 50. Looks like it is $7.89 per 50 right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Midsouth
Wow. 200 yards is huge for a rimfire. Kinda like shooting a 300 win mag at 1000 yards. If you miss even a 2-3 mph change in the wind, you might be off the paper. Those short slow bullets have the BC of a Suburban.
Most all competitive rimfire paper punching is done at 50 yards.
Being mag fed also hurts accuracy. Feeding that soft lead bullet in a chamber isnt good if its not done very gentle like. The jacketed bullets from a 17 might help, but at 5-6 bucks a box... Then opening a chamber up enough to make sure feeding isnt an issue, kills accuracy.
If you want a good rimfire bolt gun, look into a used 40X or Anschutz. Kimbers are also popular. Neil Johnson might have some used rimfires in stock. That or the for sale board at the OTC might have some leads. I know the CMP had some 40X barreled actions for sale.
Last I heard, one of the rimfire silhouette national champs was shooting a Lilja barreled 10/22. But thats only out to 100 meters. Lones Wigger was shooting a Kimber with Eley TenX ammo last nationals.
That's less than I pay for a 123gr Scenar ($182.73/1000) bullets for my 260 Remington.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Mike
With all the hype surrounding the 17HMR / 17HM2, I thought maybe 200yds was more realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Freeman
I have seen a couple sub-MOA groups @ 200yds posted with the 17 HMR, but generally just not much discussion >100yds.
I've seen velocities of 2600fps posted as well.
But you're right, those BC's suck.
It had just occurred to me I could shoot 17HMR for about what I can load .223, and both are a lot less-expensive to shoot than 260.
Mike
That's why I posted. I don't know this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Freeman
I've "plinked" with my 10/22 out to 100yds. I was stunned to se posts from people shooting 22LR out to 200yds.
I thought maybe that 17HMR would be just the ticket.
After an evening of poking-around though, it does look like .223 is a minimum for accurate, reliable paper-punching at 200yds.
If that's the case, I'll just stick with my AR-15.
I do still really like the idea of a lightweight 6mm "no neck" BR or 243 Winchester eventually, but that's not within my budget right now.
Mike
So if we assume 200yds with a rimfire isn't such a smart idea...
Do either of the 17's buy me anything at 100yds?
As mentioned, they might feed better and the jacketed bullet is a plus.
Mike
I am by no means an experienced paper puncher and the other day I shot a 5 shot group that could covered with a quarter at 100yds with my 17HMR. But there was little to no wind. Wind does move them a lot.
Shooting the 17 at 50 yards is big time BORING. Way too easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Freeman
Here is my Savage 93 (Lefty) (No 10 round magazine though)
http://www.sidewinder.cc/images/sav1.jpg
And here is the new stock I need to finish for it:
http://www.sidewinder.cc/images/stock.jpg
Here were some 5 shot groups right out of the box:
I was shooting Hornady .17 HMR 17 Gr. VMax's at first then ran out and started using Remington 17gr boat tails.
The best group of 5 I got at 100yards was .993" or .800" center to center.
The best group of 5 I got at 50 yards was .580" or .398" center to center.
50 Yards
http://www.sidewinder.cc/17Groups/50.jpg
100 Yards
http://www.sidewinder.cc/17Groups/100.jpg
I had an Anschutz 64R Biathlon (22lr) for a while, that thing was SWEET!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Freeman
(Got it from Neal J Gunsmith in the Springs)
Great trigger and shot awesome. Beware, is you shoot one you WILL get spoiled on the trigger. Sold it to get my K8 Mag though.
http://www.sidewinder.cc/Annie/IMG_0014.JPG
I think what I'm hearing is that I should just stick with my 10/22 22LR.
Mike
OK, 200yds is out. 50yds or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Freeman
The CMP is out of 40X's and I really do want a repeater even if I have to sacrifice some potential accuracy. 10rd magazines would be a real bonus.
Any pointers as far as "good, better, best"?
Mike
10/22. Kimber. Anschutz 1827.Quote:
Originally Posted by michael_aos
Any particular Kimber model stand out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Freeman
This SVT caught my eye...
http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/...er1722/svt.jpg