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Okay guys, I really just wanted to stir the soup here. Is Sig really worth the money? I mean is it $500 more reliable than a Glock or $3-400 better than a 92fs? I know every gun has a honk behind it that will fight for that gun to the death but really a P226 is double the price of an XDm? WTF Okay plenty of chum in the water. Got get it [Muaha]
I have 2 sig P226's I absolutely love them. But they're also the best handgun for me. If an XD works for you great.
I totally hear ya. I'm a glock guy and decided that I wanted to see what all the fuss was about Sigs. So, I bought a P226.
Well, I have to say after owning it for about a year and half. I've found nothing particularly special about it. It has a good feel, shoots well, but so far it does nothing better than any of my Glocks or worse for that matter.
I was looking to sell it, but I'm keeping it. It is a nice gun to have in the collection.
Sigs are very, very good guns.
However, for that kind of money, I would buy a 1911. In the Glock and XD price range, they really are the best game in town. Once you have stepped up to Sig money, you can find a nice Kimber, Springfield, or maybe even SIG 1911, and the triggers are night and day.
In fact, if you want a Sig I think you should buy this one. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=215727961
I think it all comes down to personal preference! The same could be said for HK, is it really worth the extra? I'm not so sure as I compared my glock to my HK P2K and I shoot the glock much better. I'll keep the HK as it's a nice piece but I perfer glock.
I have nothing bad to say about Sigs, I also have nothing good to say about them. With that said, i've never owned one [Tooth].
Other than 1911's, i've always had a hard time spending more than about $500 on a semi-auto handgun, which is why I buy Glock. Now that's not to say Sigs aren't good pistols (I know they are, and I have never even owned one), but they (and their price) are not for me.
I suppose it's all what you like. I have an XD45 that I adore, and a 229.. The XD by far is lighter, but I do like the extra weight and the decocker on my 229. They both go bang rather well..
I'll tell you I have several Glocks and I think Glock is a great firearm that is very reliable. I have several buddies that own Sigs and IMHO Sig has better weight absorbs the recoil better and seem to fall right back on target every time. No knock on Glock at all but if I could pick up a Sig refurb at a good price I think you'd be pretty darn happy if not Glock is an awesome alternative both will keep you smiling ear to ear for years to come.
As you know, used Sigs can be purchased all day in $500 range. I picked up a basically new older West German 226 a year or so ago on GB for -hold on- wait for it- $475. In the box, K-Kote, -0- wear, extra mags. For that price they can't be beat. One of the all-time classic combat 9mms.[Muaha]
But at the new gun price for 226 at around a G... is it that much better that a new gun price of say $550 for a Glock, XDM, or M&P?
I'll say no, but it just isn't necessary to pay high retail for the 226s, as dumb as it sounds- to me anyway- they're old tech and there are a multitude of newer (but not necessarily better) platforms out there. I'm no Glockenspiel, but I've owned 3 or 4 Glocks, an XD and a multitude of others. Many have simply come and gone, but I still have that 475 226, but now it has a set of Heinies on it![Beer]
2nd, as far as 1911 versus 226? I'll take the 226 allll day long. If only because I can stay in the fight twice as long without a reload. But that's a different subject....
Keep an eye out at gun shows and online. You can often find good-condition older Sigs for around $550. I found my old W. German 226 for that price, in absolutely immaculate condition, and just had to have it.
One 5-day training course later and it's certainly not in immaculate condition anymore, but it still runs very well. Never a hiccup, and as accurate as I can manage to shoot.
I owned a P228 for a while and a glock 19. The Sig is a great gun. super accurate built tough. But for me I could never get used to the DA/SA transition (I am a 1911 guy) so I carried and shot the Glock way more. Until I got rid of all the 9mm in my collection. I like Sigs but they are a little pricey. I think for me if it came down to it again I wouldnt buy a Sig unless they had something no one else did.
I like sig, but got rid of all of DA/SA pistols.
I can't speak for those E2s, because I haven't tried those yet.
ONLY things I don't like about sig:
1. Most of small hands have hard time reaching DA trigger, unless short trigger (whatever itw as called ) is installed.
2. I can't rapid fire (fail bill drills) with Sig pistols. I think bore/axis ratio isn't right for me.
3. For a heavy pistol, "felt" recoil is higher than average lighter polymer based pistols. If we uses mechanical physics, I will probably be untrue, but It just feels recoil is greater FOR ME.
I duty carried a P226 after transitioning from revolvers. We then switched to P229 in .357 SIG. Great handgun when it isn't your own money being spent. Speer Gold Dot in .357 SIG gets really expensive when you shoot it by the case.
For my own money, I carry a Glock 22. I have the stock .40 S&W barrel and have a Lone Wolf barrel in .357 SIG. 135 or 155 gr Winchester Ranger JHP can be had for about $.40 per round, cheap enough to practice and carry.
Both guns go boom every time and they are simple to maintain. If the Glock had a take down lever, I wouldn't think twice about which gun I like best.
If you are going to carry it every day and depend on it for your life, even if it only happens once, shoot both and choose the one that you like and shoot best. $500 will seem like chump change compared to the legal fees for defending yourself afterwards or the cost to your family and friends if you failed because of your choices.
Guns are great
There is a gun (or more than one) for everyone.
of every taste and price budget.
Is a Sig better than a Glock?
maybe, it all depends.
some things are obvious quality, some things are more subtle. Getting that 1% improvement costs a whole lot more than 1%
and that may or may not be worth it to you.
Buy what you like, enjoy life.
Out of the box reliable. I love the decocker and the da/so trigger. The thing I will say about the Sig's is that your 9mm is so mild you might not notice much. Go shoot a p-220 (.45) and you will understand why I got out of 1911's and love the 220.
I dont like the 232 much.(380) Very heavy for such a small weapon. But I think the .45 and .357 sig's are very handy for me. my thumb hits everything, trigger center of the pad of my finger. Super reliable and the decocker make me happy.And it needs nothing. No need to take it to the smith for more tuneing.
I do want to play with the 250 series soon. That looks like a fun weapon.
I agree with reddevil about the 232 being heavy for it's caliber, but I think it's the best and most reliable 380 out there. Admittedly I have never owned or shot a Beretta 84. The 230/232 (mine is a SS 230) is also, in my experience, stone reliable. I've probably fired 750 thru mine, never a burp. Rare for a 380. We're still talking about SIGs so I figger we're still on topic
I have read lately Sig's QC sucks. and they are turning out some not so hot pistols. But I don't know how much is true. I really don't like them because of the price of extra mags in the area of $40. Glocks mags around $22-$25 IMO.
I had a Sig 226 about 10 years ago, was stolen from my truck. Recovered a year later in gang bangers car in AZ. Finally was returned to me, all beat up, been tossed from about 100 moving cars, what a mess. I sent it to Sig, had them check it out and buff the bruises out of it, when it came back, looked nearly new and shot like a dream still. I purchased a 228 to replace it when the 226 was MIA. Have never had a problem with either of them or the P230 I once owned. They always fire, never jam, eat any ammo I feed them.
I can't say anything bad about Glocks or XD's or any others really. I'd purchase whatever you believe in and see if it works for you. Ford/Chevy thing.
The Beretta 84 is nice but very stiff sping setup. I always think of .380's as girl guns (no offense to any .380 guys out there) anyway that 84 is to stiff for nearly all ladies to pull back consistently and safely
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Originally Posted by Daniel_187
excellent point on mags. Parts and extras for the Sig's are all crazy priced
1911 prices range from 400 to 3000 for a production gun from one of the places like Les Baer or Wilson.
Someone said his XD45 was lighter than his 229? I just got those two out and weighed them, and the XD is heavier - so, wth? Oh, he might have a 229 with a steel frame, mine is aluminum AND in 9mm (which doesn't need the stronger frame)
I, too, had a 226 that I lent to someone and it came back RUSTED (he IWB'd it to death). Sent it to SIG and it came back totally refinished, all springs replaced and I'd SWEAR had new nitesites on it - 60 bucks (for the spring package).
I've sent another pistol back to sig, on THEIR DIME for a malfunction, came back fixed and no charge. This was an abused pistol (not by me) and they fixed it and refinished it.
I've TRIED to get SA to sell me spare parts - and they refuse. Yeah, I hear about all the parts that ARE available, but they are all AFTERMARKET parts - so for my money, SA sucks and Sig rules. I own a coulple of XD's, but consider them about like a Glock.
I had consistently failed to score perfect on qualifications for about a year - I switched to a 226 and shot perfect for a year. Accuracy wise I've never shot an out of the box production auto pistol that is as accurate as the Sig.
The sig is the one pistol I can pick up that immediately shoots to point of aim for me, could just be me, but it was something I remarked on years ago when I'd not shot one for about five years. I made it a point to shoot every one I saw for a while if someone would let me borrow it, and it turned out to be true (again, to my estimation).
The only drawback is mag price.
I remember when Beretta 92's were 700 bucks - then every police department in the country started trading them in and upgrading to another type of pistol - and suddenly you could find 400 dollar beretta's all day long and 10 dollar used mags. Wish the same would happen to Sig, but nobody seems to give their up.
It's worth it the same way ANY equipment you bet your life on is worth - it has to work as close to 100 percent of the time as possible.
True story. A guy I worked with (not liked, just worked with) had a misfeed problem at his last qual. So he left it with the armorer. Armorer diagnosed the problem with his Sig 220 - it was filthy. He had to put in a new barrel because it was so pitted. When asked the last time the guy had cleaned it, he said he cleaned it every time he shot. Turns out his version of cleaning it was wiping it down with a rag. He had carried it for 8 years, shot it 4 times a year about 60 rounds each time. He's an idiot, but the Sig took the misuse for 8 years. A glock might never have given him a problem, but who knows. The failure he had was a stovepipe. The armorer said he wouldnt' fix any more pistols for this guy again (he should retire soon anyway).
So be cheap, or be not-cheap - but dont make PRICE your consideration when your life comes down to it.j
BTW, if you swap followers from a 10rd Sig 226 mag to a 15 round mag, you get an extra round in the 15 round mag.
If you shoot as much as you'd like to, you'll spend MUCH more money in ammo than the cost of the gun anyway.
I really like mine. I'm not a big fan of the new generation, preferring instead the German and West German guns, the GSR being the exception. I'll pay the extra money for another Sig as I've never developed an affinity for Glock (I've shot plenty of them, just not my preference).
Some of mine:
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/DSC00109.jpg
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Originally Posted by Irving
I agree with what people are saying about price. They are expensive. I am a proud Sig owner of 4 Sigs. I've carried a Sig for work for nearly 20 years.
When I got hired by the state, I was issued a Glock 23 and I really tried to like it and shoot it, but I eventually had to get a waiver to carry my Sig P229 for work.
Like all things, it is up to personal preference. Some people like Honda Civics and some people like BMW's. My Sig is my BMW to your Glock Honda Civic!
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Originally Posted by OneGuy67
Glock is a Honda Civic.... you are fixin to start a riot up in this bitch
I think BMW vs Honda is a better comparison of Sig vs Glock than Ford/Chevy. Fords and Chevy's are comparably priced. BMWs cost much more than Hondas.Quote:
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The BMW will take you to the same places the Honda will and for most the ride will be much more comfortable. The price of gas in both will be the same, although I'm not sure if the BMWs get better mileage than Hondas. Over the life of the car, the BMW will cost much more. Hondas are really reliable.
Just like the choice between a Sig and a Glock; what are you using them for, how much can you spend?
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Nah...you know Honda Civic's are inexpensive, reliable and there are a million of them out there...just like Glock!
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I would say a Glock is at least an Accord but civic works. Reliable, cheap, tons of em, tons of after-market kit for em.... i get itQuote:
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The Sig's and the 92F are some of the top line combat pistols. They feel good in you hands easy to clean and have great accuracy.
I've seen my sheriff carries a Sig 220.
The Glocks do not feel good in your hands and are not too hard to clean but not easy. Accuracy is spotty from pistol to pistol some are good some are great. They are little bulky.
I agree with nontactical. I've owned two SIGs, and absolutely love em, but they are a bit too proud of their stuff. That said, if you can find a good used one, especially one of the ones manufactured in Germany, grab it. IMHO, their quality's not quite what it used to be since they started producing the slides/barrels in the US. And nontactical is right, if you're gonna put down that kind of money, you might as well get something nicer, say a 1911 if you're into em.
I'll get in on this one. I have a 226 in 9mm with a stainless frame which adds about half a pound. I also have a 17lb main spring, short reset trigger (but not a short trigger), and a stainless guide rod. It's a heavy, smooth shooter and judging by the other full stainless ones I've seen and handled (10's of thousands of rounds through them) it will last me a very long time.
There were a few big things that got me to that purcahse. First, I'm left-handed and the reversable magazine release is key for me.
Also, this was my second handgun. I had some more money to invest and after working at a range for a year I knew what I was looking for. Between renting guns and seeing what came through it became clear what guns shot well, were built to last, and had the ability to be maintained by me rather than having to send it anywhere to have regular work done. The stainless 226 hit all the marks.
Third, there are .22 conversion kits available. I love getting cheap trigger time.
What I always told people looking to purchase, though, is figure out what feels good to you, figure out your budget, do some research to make sure it's not a total piece of junk, and ignore all the fanboys who tell you that their gun is the "best." As long as you're having a good time and it's not a gun you're always betting your life on then a lot of stuff doesn't matter.
22lr in a stainless P226? How would you even know if the bullet left the barrel? Must be like firing bb's from a Barrett M107.Quote:
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Sig definitely makes a quality firearm.
It's pretty fast shooting. It's even nicer in an X5 frame!
If you're put off by the relatively high price of the SIG P-series guns, take a look at the SIGPro series. Same SIG reliability with a polymer frame and a great trigger - all at a Glock price. Tom at Top Gun Supply has them routinely for $400 or less.
http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-pro-handguns/