I ruined dinner

Ugh... my aunt is in town, staying at my grandmother's. I was over working on her car and when I finished my grandma invited me to stay for dinner.
Short version: I called my aunt a libtard and left before I'd gotten 3 bites in.




Long version (venting my frustrations):
My aunt (actually my great-aunt) is from Israel. My mom's dad's side of the family... she's my grandpas sister and is visiting cause he's not doing to well. She has a son a few years younger than me who is about to start his term with the military (required in Israel, as I'm sure you know). Said son is coming into town on Wednesday, and I figured I'd take him shooting (what 18 year old, military-bound male wouldn't enjoy shooting stuff with his cousin?). So I mentioned this to his mom.... bad idea.
Aunt: "So Gabe is gonna be here on Wednesday."
Me: "Yup, I've heard. I'm gonna take him shooting on Thursday, I think he'd enjoy it."
"Oh God what? No, please don't. Don't even mention it to him, I don't want him going hunting or shooting or anything like that."
"Uh... why not?"
"Cause... I don't want him around guns. They're dangerous and.... he could get hurt and..... accidents can---"
(cutting her off) "Accidents? No such thing. Ignorance with guns can lead to unfortunate consequences, just like driving a vehicle, but I can guarantee if he's around me that won't happen."
"Well... I just don't want him doing it, ok?"
"He's going into the military... where his competency with a firearm will be the deciding factor in whether he comes home or not. Not to mention, he's over 18 and can go out to a firing range and on his own accord and rent any gun he wants to... without your permission."
"Yeah I know in the military he'll be shooting, but that's different."
"How is that different? Believe me, its much safer for him to be shooting with MY guns, with me, in a big field with nobody around, than it is for him to be shooting in a line with a bunch of other people with guns that have no idea how to use them."
"Well.... its just dangerous and I don't want him playing with them."
"Dangerous? No. Guns aren't dangerous... they're inanimate objects, no more dangerous than this fork. Irresponsible people can use them to cause harm, but guns don't have minds of their own and you know damn well I'm not an irresponsible person."
"Guns shoot people, forks don't."
"Guns don't shoot people, people shoot people. Not only can I kill you with this fork, but a fork kills quietly and you wouldn't have any idea what's coming because it's not a threatening object. Should we ban forks? Should we sell them exclusively in fork stores where you need to pass a background check before you can buy one?"
"No that's ridiculous."
"Oh really now. So if its ridiculous for forks, why is it reasonable for guns?"
"Well...."
"And on top of that, our right to the unrestricted ownership of firearms is exclusively protected by our Constitution. I know this doesn't apply to Israel, but it doesn't matter... quite frankly, being an Israeli citizen, your ideas about guns kinda surprise me. You live in a country surrounded by people that absolutely hate you and want to wipe you from the face of the planet. From the time your country was founded, war has been a way of life for the people living in it. You should be encouraging your son to get as much practice with a firearm as he can, not teaching him the back-asswards libtard mindset of being afraid of them."
Then my grandma chimes in: "He's right. I don't like guns either, but he's right."
My aunt just kinda stared at me with an expression like I'd just killed and gutted her cat right in front of her, and I was pretty pissed off, so I picked up my plate and thanked my grandma for dinner and told her I'd return her plate and silverware next week, and left.
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If you don't stand up for what you believe in, people will walk all over you.

Bravo
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Oh don't worry I'm still planning on taking him shooting. I'll leave it to him whether or not to tell his mom, I personally don't care either way.

There's nothing in her past I don't know about, and nothing that should give her this opinion on guns. The only reason she thinks this, is cause that's the general belief that other libtards hold so she has to think the same thing. She has a picture of Obama on her front door, for God's sake :facepalm:

Yeah, I probably shoulda left well enough alone, but I was in that mood and I have a lot of built up annoyance towards her for all the stupid shit she does.

I feel your pain. I've often failed to engage the brain to mouth filter in social situations [Bang]. I'd like to think I'm getting better about this as I get older, but I'm probably not...

You need to settle down and try hard not to hurt anyone with your Grandma's fork until you return it back to her safe.[ROFL1]

Sometimes, standing up for what you believe in is hardest with your family. Good job. I hope you get to take him shooting.[Beer]

^^^^^ What Luckydog said!! And get her some Prozac!! That will chill her out! It did my Aunt! [Beer]

Your aunt sounds like my step mom. she was held up many years ago by a guy with his hand in a coat pocket. she never saw a gun just assumed. ever since then all guns are bad. But after the Northridge earthquake when I produced a 12 ga to protect us she was ok with it for a while. I say stand up for what you believe. Just do it in a respectful understandable way. Let them be the raving loon about their point of view. I say you did the right thing. Good on you.

I work in an office full of Libtards.. I offend them daily. Especially when I open carry in the office.. it's great :)

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

General rule of thumb. Don't talk politics with family. Extends to religion, and things like firearms. If she said "please don't" I'd have asked "why?" and left it at that, no elaboration, and I'd have never said I wouldn't. Then I would have taken him shooting and told him not to mention it to his mother.

Sometimes you don't know peoples backgrounds. It's better to let things go and not cause family rifts that bring up stuff... you will never change their minds anyway.

Tell you what though, I don't call him out on his firearm P.O.V. It's the wrong opinion to have, but he is personally justified to have his opinion.

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I think fox hit it on the head here.

YOUR GRANDMA ALLOWS FORKS AT THE DINNER TABLE!!!

Why even have a conversation with a monster like you, just waiting to stab someone to be sure, four stabs per jab even! We call them super-knives over here!


I've had to keep my gun under lock and key and constant supervision to keep it from getting out and shooting up stuff, can't trust em to be sure, sneaky little devils.


My dad allowed me at the adult table when I was a kid/teenager because I had no sense of control and loved arguing with liberals and had some training at it (debate team). He loved watching me piss off the neighbors.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

General rule of thumb. Don't talk politics with family. Extends to religion, and things like firearms. If she said "please don't" I'd have asked "why?" and left it at that, no elaboration, and I'd have never said I wouldn't. Then I would have taken him shooting and told him not to mention it to his mother.

Sometimes you don't know peoples backgrounds. It's better to let things go and not cause family rifts that bring up stuff... you will never change their minds anyway.

I'll give you an example: My uncle was talking to me once about how CCW guys just walk around with an attitude looking for trouble and someone to kill. I just said a generic "huh" and let him keep going. I was CCW'ing at that moment, he doesn't even know I have guns [LOL]

*but* his son committed suicide with a handgun when I was 2 years old. I don't remember it, but he sure does. Do you think his negative opinion of firearms is justified? Does he not have a valid reason to vent about them & is it my place to bitch slap him over it? I just politely ignore it, and let family stay family.

ETA) Correction, I was three years old, and I DO remember the funeral. It's my earliest memory, overheard some stuff, asked my dad how he shot himself. My dad told me he was spinning a gun like a cowboy and it went off. How do you explain suicide to a 3 year old? Tell you what though, I don't call him out on his firearm P.O.V. It's the wrong opinion to have, but he is personally justified to have his opinion.

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I would have showed him and asked "like this"??
but reading the paragraph after that, I understand why you didn't.

If it were me, I would take her son shooting, tell him not to tell her, then email or mail her a nice card with a picture of you two shooting together.

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Originally Posted by sniper7

If it were me, I would take her son shooting, tell him not to tell her, then email or mail her a nice card with a picture of you two shooting together.

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Would you sign it with your 10-22 from 100 yards too?

An Israeli (and presumably Jewish person) that is anti-gun is obviously an idiot (sorry to insult your family, but I don't think you mind at the moment). We have an example not even 80 years old that shows what can happen when a group of people are forcibly disarmed by their government.

As a Jew, I think a lot of the community has become so unattached from the Holocaust after not even 2 generations and its awful.

And not to mention that guns are a way of life for Israelis, and due to that military doctrine has established them as a 1st world nation in less than 60 years, amidst chaos.

I think you did the right thing, too. There are probably several different things you could have done, and this was one of them. But I think this is better than just biting your tongue; at least she knows what you think and how you feel. 18? Yeah, he can make up his own mind.

Did anyone else read this conversation in a Woody Allen voice?

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Originally Posted by Irving

Would you sign it with your 10-22 from 100 yards too?

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nah, just put a bloody paw-print of a squirrel or rabbit as the final signature.

Haha, that's even better.

Good job man. Some people wont say that to their families.

Luckily my family is probably more conservative than I am....not sure if that's good or bad...

you might of gone over board with the:

Not only can I kill you with this fork, but a fork kills quietly and you wouldn't have any idea what's coming because it's not a threatening object.

but i like the idea of signing with a bloody paw print

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Originally Posted by sniper7

If it were me, I would take her son shooting, tell him not to tell her, then email or mail her a nice card with a picture of you two shooting together.

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Now THAT is a fun idea. Consider it done [Tooth]

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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina

An Israeli (and presumably Jewish person) that is anti-gun is obviously an idiot (sorry to insult your family, but I don't think you mind at the moment). We have an example not even 80 years old that shows what can happen when a group of people are forcibly disarmed by their government.

As a Jew, I think a lot of the community has become so unattached from the Holocaust after not even 2 generations and its awful.

And not to mention that guns are a way of life for Israelis, and due to that military doctrine has established them as a 1st world nation in less than 60 years, amidst chaos.

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No offense taken... that is my point of view exactly, and it frustrates the hell out of me that everybody on that side of the family has her mindset. In fact, I'm one of 3 people in my (fairly large) family, mom's and dad's side, that own a firearm. And one of the others keeps it locked up in the safe and takes it out once a year or so for some range time, and would never think about carrying it or using it for self defense.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Did anyone else read this conversation in a Woody Allen voice?

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I let me drawl out when I was talkin to her, just to add some entertainment on my part.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

Good job man. Some people wont say that to their families.

Luckily my family is probably more conservative than I am....not sure if that's good or bad...

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I don't care who you are, if I have something to say I'll say it. Of course there are situations where I know I should bite my tongue, and I do, but I didn't see this as one of them.

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Originally Posted by porfiriozg

you might of gone over board with the:

Not only can I kill you with this fork, but a fork kills quietly and you wouldn't have any idea what's coming because it's not a threatening object.

but i like the idea of signing with a bloody paw print

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Yeah, it was a bit extreme, and I was thinking maybe I shouldn't have gone there while I was saying it, but it was the best/first example that came to mind to get my point across.
Bloody paw print will be included.

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Originally Posted by porfiriozg

you might of gone over board with the:

Not only can I kill you with this fork, but a fork kills quietly and you wouldn't have any idea what's coming because it's not a threatening object.

but i like the idea of signing with a bloody paw print

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I was originally thinking overboard...but then I thought...Awesome! I do like the visualization of it

I've been in the same situation and understand the frustration. My only input is to not reinforce the idea that people with guns are angry people. I try very hard in those situations to sound reasonable and friendly and to not get into long heated debates. Although sometimes I wish I had a fork and dull fork at that.

My Favorite one is my Mother.
Blind liberal

Honestly believes that if you outlaw something, the criminals won't do it.
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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

My Favorite one is my Mother.
Blind liberal

Honestly believes that if you outlaw something, the criminals won't do it.
[LOL]

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Well most people won't do it, hence why they aren't criminals...

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Originally Posted by Irving

Did anyone else read this conversation in a Woody Allen voice?

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No, I read it in a Jackie Mason's voice.

Gun Conversations can be tough with family..... My Step mom ( who has always been my mom period for me ) is fairly anti gun . this came to a head this christmas when my brothers got me p-mags for christmas so that my mom finally found out I have guns.

Lucky for me the bros talked to her before I even got there, told her look he's 36 years old. he's grown up and can decide what he wants. she didn't say even one word to me about it the whole time I was there LOL .

Funny thing is one of my brothers that is still living at home has an AR himself. he just keeps it at a marine buddies of his place. ( my bro is a med discharged marine)

She'd probably be really pissed if she knew that the cash she gave me as a gift was used to buy my mossberg LOL !