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go green, let use Whale oil
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Originally Posted by Daniel_187
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Originally Posted by Daniel_187
they are getting ridiculous again. just a year ago it was down to 1.35 roughly, now at 3.30. bullshit. nothing out there doubles in cost like that.
it is time to shut off food supplies being exported to these countries. we can live without oil. they can't live without food.
Prices are rising, and all the while we will continue to pay through the teeth for it. The oil companies know this. We'll complain about it, but won't be able to actually do anything about it. Meanwhile they're raking in record-breaking profits. IMO, it has little to do with supply/demand. I think if every single American stayed home just ONE DAY and didn't drive or fill up at the gas station, the oil companies would feel it in their balance sheets.
!!! Maybe Mtn. Man can, the rest of us would be seriously f'd in days. No trucks to delivery food to the grocery stores. No fuel at the pump to fill your car. No fuel to move the coal trains.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
We might be able to get by not taking oil from countries we don't like, but it won't stop them exporting it (it's an international commodity, if they don't sell it to us, they'll sell it to China, and what would have gone to China comes here) and won't stop them being able to import food.
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It'd sure be nice to not be paying these people billions of dollars every year, and be nice to know that our country could survive should people decide to stop playing ball with us. Maybe if that crazy old coot of a president back in the late 70's, with his fancy Solar Panels had the support to really start the difficult process then, we wouldn't be in this situation.
Dear baby boomers: thanks for the shit we're in now. Your parents may have been "the greatest generation", but I think you chose immediate gratification over long term thinking, and everyone under 40 will be paying for your lifestyle for a long time.
H.
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Originally Posted by Hoosier
I agree with the rest of what you said, but this quote struck me a little bit.
what do you think our kids are going to be saying to us? our immediate gratification to elect the first black president, bail out private companies with tax dollars, get "immediate gratification" to save some jobs and brands and banks. they will be paying far more for our lifestyles IMO.
Matt Taibbi has a good book that touches this, Griftopia. He was a campaign reporter in 98 when we had the last huge spike. He asked why and nobody could answer so he had a book in progress.
In short, the commodities markets used to be producers, consumers and some speculators but they were limited. The speculators were there to provide cash so either side could buy insurance against prices rising or falling. Gradually, in sneaky ways, the speculators turned loose so they could corner the market. It'll go up as long as they want. They'll probably stop the rise when it forces consumption way down.
Steve
doesn't more than half the pump price go to taxes?
Ok just farted in my tank...Didn't do much though.
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Originally Posted by Mazin
sadly this wouldnt work, there income for that day "might" go down but the next day there income would explode because all those people would have to buy the next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by al-x
diesel ftw. my jetta goes 500+ miles on 30 bucks of diesel.
i can also use bio-diesel if I get it cheap enough (or free)
iv have always wanted a jetta turbo diesel, are they fun to drive?Quote:
Originally Posted by lebru
its a blast, they have a break in period where you have to drive like a grandma. after that they are awesome. The torque is incredible, you don't expect a small little car like that to pull as hard as it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by patrick0685
nice...ill have to check one out[Driver]Quote:
Originally Posted by lebru
But they SUCK when pulling a gooseneck Trailer.
I will admit though, for the same price I paid for this little Jetta I could have bought a base model 2011 Mustang (the 300hp 3.7l v6 version).Quote:
Originally Posted by patrick0685
I hope not. Bailing out the banks and auto industry has a short term cost, most of that money will be/has been recouped. The bigger problem was the bailout was that these companies were deemed "too big too fail" and as a consequence of the bailouts and the many failures/acquisitions of smaller institutions they are now ever larger. We should probably require them to break apart into smaller institutions, and one of which could be allowed to fail. That's seen as government intervention and is frowned upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Obama's big bet, the recovery acts, totaled approx $1T, but half of that was in tax breaks -- which the GOP would have done in the same situation. In the end the recovery legislation probably did shorten the recession, but of course that will be debated ad nauseum. I think the GOP would have done similar things because politicians can't be seen as doing nothing if they want to be re-elected.
I don't know what gratification came from a black president, I don't believe Obama was elected because he is half black, I think the only telling factor is that he wasn't defeated because he's black, as would certainly have been the case less than 50 years ago. The real question, to my mind, is how long before we could elect an avowed Atheist president? I don't see that happening anytime soon.
I think that what our kids think in 50 years is really going to depend on how we continue behaving. If we keep waging trillion dollar wars, if we keep our tax rates low while debt skyrockets, if we continue to kick infrastructure down the road these things will come back to bite us in the ass.
The real problem is that Americans, and thus American leaders, haven't had to cohones to raise taxes and reduce spending to actually acheve a balanced budget, let along the surplus we must have to pay down the deficit. It's as if we've been left with the tab for the past thirty years of American Exceptionalism, and now we're faced with the question of: Do we pay it, or do we keep adding on to it for the future to deal with?
H.
Buy oil stock. Let them fill your tank.
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Originally Posted by Hoosier
BINGO! We have a winner!Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Colorado has oil. We could drill for our own fuel and that's not all we don't need cheap oil from other country's we could use our own if the powers that be would grow a pair and drill for it.
Statistics from the Department of Energy, paid for with your tax dollars.
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Originally Posted by al-x
I laugh every time someone says this. Everyone would just buy the gas the next day and there would be zero effect what-so-ever.
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Originally Posted by DOC
We need to go and get it.
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Originally Posted by Irving
I would agree. I think a more valid asking point would be "how close do you live to work".
I never did and still don't understand how people seem to give no thought to where they live VS where they work.
My last two Military bosses bought homes that are at the other end of town. they both said it was not a bad commute until they started doing it in the winter. :) My drive is 6.5 miles RT. No stress, no traffic, never late due to the conditions..... And I put $20 worth of gas in every two weeks.[Coffee]
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Originally Posted by Hoosier
I would have bought 15 houses with all my job changes, doesn't look to be a win for saving money? I've tried to work as long as possible at each job, just hasn't worked out. Bought, Sold, Bankrupt etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrymrc
Luckily I've lived fairly central and most jobs have been a reasonable distance.
I'm with you though: Current job location was selected due to proximity to home, 10 mile round trip, $20 every two or three weeks, but parking is a bitch. $125. Still waiting on the light rail to finish up, 3 blocks.
Debating now if I even want to apply for the hunting licenses, probably can't afford to drive the truck for $500 in gas for a weekend of hunting.
Save the cost of the license and the cost of gas, win win.
Not so much at the moment,;), depends on what you do,Yeah, if your stationary, going one place everyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrymrc
I've been as close as 3.5 mile rt, And as far as 100 mile rt. I much prefer the 3.5 one. [Tooth]
My everyday is a Grueling 23 steps from the house. But maybe once every week or two make the 50+ miles to the city for steel, welding stuff, etc.
Its not so far from the truth about what to do. Driving less is the only thing that is going to drive demand down and save money in the short term. I think all men should drive motorcycles on most days. Women should car pool and wear low cut shirts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
IMHO.
I drive 40 miles rt went from a 454 big block loud as hell and uber fun at 12 miles to the gallon to a beat up jimmy and getting 22+ no complaints spending 40 bucks a week is alot better than 80
Recently, I was putting 100 miles a day on my car. Now I'm down to probably 60ish. That doesn't include the days that I deliver either. I'd probably get a lot better mileage if I was only spending the 15-20 minutes each way it takes with no traffic, compared to the 45 min - 1< it DOES take with traffic.
When my tank gets a 1/4 down, I fill it up with E85 ethanol fuel. Damn thing runs way better and the fuel is 80 cents cheaper. Then I run the tank all the way down, and fill with regular gas. I guess I need to build a still next...
A higher compression engine like 10:1 or something that requires Premium gas will work best with E85. You may only notice performance loss when you're at idle. But its less powerful as gas and will require you to use more fuel. e.g. less mileage. But in a pinch it will work. I used it in my motorcycle, mustang and blazer. The blazer stalled at idle I had to keep on the pedal a little at stops. But that's just my experience.
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Originally Posted by DOC
E85 gas is junk. unless your engine is specially designed to handle it, DO NOT put it in your tank as it will wear faster, and cause major engine problems down the line.
I used to run it in my 2008 silverado. I keep a record of every tank of gas I run, what mileage I get, how much I paid etc etc. I have a logbook in each vehicle I won to keep track of maintenance and gas usage etc.
Unless the price of E85 was less than a cost ratio of 77% compared to regular gas, it wasn't worth it just based off the MPG aspect.
With E85, you burn more, have a shorter range, put more wear on your engine due to having to run more gas or higher RPMs to get the same distance or power and it is a poor substitute.
Loss of power is also very noticeable in the mountains. My 2010 will never see a drop of that shit unless it is less than 50% of regular gas, and there really is no reason it should be as high priced as it is.
If you don't have a stand alone ECU, with a tune specifically for E-85 (or your car can run it from the factory), then don't bother. It is basically race gas that is cheaper than regular gas. So unless you have a large turbo and the tuning to accompany your needs, don't waste your money.
You CAN tune your ECU for economy, but most people just use it for race gas.