I apply a double standard

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03-30-2011, 17:51
cebeu

I apply a double standard
Listened to this at drive time today and…yup...I apply a double standard. Cant’ justify it, can’t and won’t try to defend it but…I definately apply a double standard here. I’m good with my position and reconcile it with no problem. If compelled, I could even argue in support of it to an extent.

“So what is it?” This: Former Loveland Teacher May Avoid Jail In Student Sex Case
Alan Gathright, 7NEWS Content Producer UPDATED: 10:30 pm MDT March 28, 2011

I’ll side-step the “positions of trust, psychological, emotional, developmental, physical and consequences” topics associated with this but…me...in general...
- 31 year-old male, regardless of his role in life, having any sexual contact with a 16 year-old female? I would try to be the first in-line to beat him mercilessly if I could get away with it. I just can’t accept that.
- 31 year-old female, regardless of her role in life*, having protected sex with a 16 year-old male? While I would struggle to ever advocate it, I just have no problem with it.
[Shock] Throw some arrows…

* DISCLAIMER: I have to say this though, the one aspect of this specific example I can't reconcile is that she was in a direct role of authority (her student).
03-30-2011, 17:56
Bailey Guns

Now let's say you're the father of said 16 year-old male.
03-30-2011, 17:58
Elhuero

so on their 18th birthday, girls magically turn into women and are ready to procreate?

nature disagrees, as does many cultures.

I'm not saying it's ok to pork preteens, but you can not deny that americans are prudes.
03-30-2011, 17:59
cebeu

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Now let's say you're the father of said 16 year-old male.

Overtly I'd apply a double standard and [figuratively] whip his ass, internally I'd be fine. I'm NOT qualified to answer that though Bailey but...sincere answer.
03-30-2011, 18:01
Troublco

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Originally Posted by Elhuero

I'm not saying it's ok to pork preteens, but you can not deny that americans are prudes.

Yessir, compared to Europeans and many other cultures we are. That's one of the reasons this country was founded, to allow folks who didn't agree with the way things were in the Old Country to go somewhere they didn't have that. And here we are. Not advocating either way (although I tend toward conservative), just saying.

I don't think I'd have had a problem with doing a 31 year old gal, either...when I was 16. (Or now, if I was single!) I don't tend to agree with it either way, but that's just me. People mature physically a lot faster than they mature mentally for the most part, I think.
03-30-2011, 18:05
Elhuero

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Originally Posted by Troublco

Yessir, compared to Europeans and many other cultures we are. That's one of the reasons this country was founded, to allow folks who didn't agree with the way things were in the Old Country to go somewhere they didn't have that. And here we are. Not advocating either way, just saying.

and a 16 year old kid becomes a registered ex offender for life because he got a blowjob from his 15 year old girlfriend.

intrusive government with overbearing law enforcement at work.

EDIT: haha! I quoted you before you updated your post.
03-30-2011, 18:17
Hoosier
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Originally Posted by cebeu

31 year-old male, regardless of his role in life, having any sexual contact with a 16 year-old female? I would try to be the first in-line to beat him mercilessly if I could get away with it. I just can’t accept that.
Pretty sure that's entirely legal in quite a few states, and more than a few countries. Not if he's a teacher or in a "position of power", but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of...ica#State_laws

H.
03-30-2011, 18:57
Lochinver

I couldn't condone it happening in either scenario. IMO, it is adults taking advantage of an inexperienced, vulnerable and easily influenced minor.
03-30-2011, 19:11
Ranger

Agree or disagree with the whole thing as you feel is right, but let's face the facts - how many 16 year old boys wouldn't like to be laying pipe ANYWHERE but especially a 31 year old "hot for teacher"? That guy was on top of the world.
03-30-2011, 19:21
patrick0685

i would have layed the pipe to some of my teacher if they were willing
03-30-2011, 19:23
bellavite1

Where were those teachers when I was 16???[Bang]
03-30-2011, 19:31
Daniel_187

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Originally Posted by bellavite1

Where were those teachers when I was 16???[Bang]

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000
03-30-2011, 19:49
Troublco

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Originally Posted by Elhuero

and a 16 year old kid becomes a registered ex offender for life because he got a blowjob from his 15 year old girlfriend.

intrusive government with overbearing law enforcement at work.

EDIT: haha! I quoted you before you updated your post.

That's not exactly what I was talking about, but you already knew that. I don't think 15 and 16 year olds need to be having sex either. Does that mean it doesn't happen? Noooooo.[Tooth]

And if you quoted me that fast, you have too much time on your hands! [ROFL1]
03-30-2011, 22:29
Monky

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Now let's say you're the father of said 16 year-old male.

I'd ground him if his mother were around, and high 5 when she wasn't looking.

But yes.. flipping the situation.. 31yr old male.. 16 yr old daughter.. he'd be dead.

We know this is a double standard, but as men we are OK with it because we know women are dumb and easy to manipulate. [Tooth]
03-30-2011, 23:39
mcantar18c

I hooked up with a teacher when I was in HS. BFD, she was hot, that was that, didn't' see it as a big deal.

I agree with the double standard though.
When I have kids, and I find out they lost their virginity....
Son gets a high five and "so how was it?"
Daughter gets a "wait here while I grab my shotgun and you can go introduce me to him"
03-30-2011, 23:39
Ranger

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Originally Posted by Monky

I'd ground him if his mother were around, and high 5 when she wasn't looking.

But yes.. flipping the situation.. 31yr old male.. 16 yr old daughter.. he'd be dead.

We know this is a double standard, but as men we are OK with it because we know women are dumb and easy to manipulate. [Tooth]

And once again I sit here and wonder why there are so few women on this board...

[Beer]
03-31-2011, 00:34
BigDee

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Originally Posted by Troublco

Yessir, compared to Europeans and many other cultures we are. That's one of the reasons this country was founded, to allow folks who didn't agree with the way things were in the Old Country to go somewhere they didn't have that. And here we are. Not advocating either way (although I tend toward conservative), just saying.

You're kind of right.. But you're really not... The Pilgrims came to this country in search of religous freedom. The things they didn't agree with was more of a thing rather than things and that thing was the Church of England. The Church of England believed that the Kings law was god's law and nothing else mattered.

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Originally Posted by Troublco

I don't think I'd have had a problem with doing a 31 year old gal, either...when I was 16. (Or now, if I was single!) I don't tend to agree with it either way, but that's just me. People mature physically a lot faster than they mature mentally for the most part, I think.

My issue with the teacher student is that it's an issue of a person of authority having relations with someone who is in their grasp of control. As a figure of authority it is your job to act with restraint; if you can not act with restraint you should not be in a postion of authority.

Man or woman; we are a nation of equal rights and equal rights should incur equal punishment. A 31 year old woman who sleeps with a 16 year old boy should suffer the same consequences as a 31 year old man who sleeps with a 16 year old girl. Equality means equal treatment wether it is favorable or unfavorable regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, religion and or sexual preference.
03-31-2011, 01:00
Irving

I can't even stand talking to an 18 year-old, much less sleeping with one. I imagine that any normal adult (of either sex) feels much the same. Grosses me out. An adult woman or man hooking up with a high school kid is pathetic and disturbing to me.
03-31-2011, 07:58
Ed_S

So once above the age of consent does the age difference become ok?

Just curious?

As for double standards, I have that issue as I have a son and a daughter.
03-31-2011, 09:12
Monky

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Originally Posted by Ranger

And once again I sit here and wonder why there are so few women on this board...

[Beer]

Well because they can't take a joke.. [ROFL1]
03-31-2011, 19:09
Irving

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Originally Posted by Ed_S

So once above the age of consent does the age difference become ok?

I personally wouldn't. Like I already mentioned, I can't stand even talking to 18 year-olds. Maybe for some people, they don't mind hanging around children to get laid, but I've always thought I was a better person than that.
03-31-2011, 20:34
Colorado Luckydog

I wish I were politically correct but I'm a double standard guy myself.

Sometimes, while in a group, when I hear someone talk, I think how can they really feel that way. Then I remember what they said when it was just the two of us. People are so full of shit when they are trying to be politically correct.

I never banged a teacher but I came close. I bragged to my buddies and it never ended up in the news and she never had her life screwed up or went to jail. In my eyes she was just helping me become a man. If the same thing happened to my daughter and I found out, he would be so f@#$%d!!!

I have to admit, I'm a double standard guy myself and I'm glad I grew up when and how I did.
03-31-2011, 22:04
sniper7

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Now let's say you're the father of said 16 year-old male.

was she smoking hot? a high five might be in order
03-31-2011, 22:06
Guylee

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Now let's say you're the father of said 16 year-old male.

I would say hi-fives and cold beers.
03-31-2011, 22:10
sniper7

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

All jokes aside, it is not okay. If any 31 (male or female) is willing to screw a 16yo student, they really don't have the kind of good/impartial judgment needed of a teacher. If the teacher is more preoccupied with who is attractive in the class, or who they would screw, or keeping a lid on it, hiding it from husbands, district, whatever...... I don't care if you condone with the act itself (you really shouldn't), the person should not be in the system. Just like affairs, reason a lot of them do it is simply because they shouldn't be; and that kind of mind set is not good for anyone in the classroom, regardless if they are tagging the teacher or not. They simply are not going to be overly concerned with being good at teaching; more concerned with *******.

And no, I'm really glad that I didn't screw a 31 teacher when I was a sophmore. I was more interested in the 14-18yo age range myself, I guess I wasn't dumb enough to try to screw things old enough to be parents of kids my age, and the thought disgusted me (and still does).

i agree with this. teachers/professors are supposed to be professionals and keep a professional relationship with their students. students are vulnerable and easy to manipulate because they are trying to get an education and get a good grade in the class.

Now on a side note, I did have a math teacher who was the girls soccer coach, right out of college and just gorgeous. if there was ever a chance, i would have been all over it, just like every other guy in our class. we were 16-18 and she was ~23-25. the lucky kid would have definitely been a legend.
04-01-2011, 03:04
Elhuero

when I was a senior I needed an elective credit to graduate, so I took into drama.

so there I was, already 18 just counting days till grad, in a drama class with a bunch of freshmen kids.

that quarter the class had a student teacher assigned, to help the regular teacher and learn the ropes.

she was a sophomore or junior in college, a little less than two years older than me.

italian.

and drop dead smokin hot.

the drama teacher would put her in charge and take off, and be being so close in age I was the closest thing to a peer she had around, so we hit it off.

that was a great class, lemmie tell ya.

one of our graded projects was choose a song and do a lip sync performance in front of the class. the regular teacher was there at that point, and miss student teacher performed a lip sync as well. dusty springfield, son of a preacher man. she could really move on stage, I do declare.

strict religious upbringing and a neomaxizoomdweebie-level lack of game prevented any shenanigans.

we were both of age. if I could rewind the way back machine....