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I wonder about the thought process that goes into making this kind of decision.
" i need to park and get my hemorhoid cream. right now". " i will just speed things up by threatning someone with my gun", "what harm could come of it", "its not like someone is going to turn me in and I will go to jail" "ok, thats what I will do, pull a gun on a woman over a parking space."
dumb fuck.
I'll be the Devil's advocate here:[Muaha]
What if that bitch was PMS'ing and was actually driving toward the guy?
Whatch the video guys, this is what he stated in the report.
This could be why he was not charged on anything more.
You know damn well that if he just pointed the gun whithout some sort of a good reason this would be a felony menacing charge, no questions asked...
Isn't a car a weapon too?
wow , thats just fantastic , this a**hole is part of the problem .Just another nail in the gun rights coffin . Grrrr as a responsible gun owner id really like to smack the dog s*ht out of that guy .
Yea, Hang him, Screw him, we don't need any proof. The news media is always right. Nobody ever lies.
I agree with bellavite1. There isn't enough information to say who was wrong. If she was trying to assault or threaten him with her car he could be justified. Maybe he should have just stayed in his car.
I hope the truth comes out. This does illustrate the how serious it is to carry. No matter what the end result he is out a bunch of money.
In a King Soopers parking lot, I would have had a ton of options. Pulling my gun on a woman would not have been one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavite1
First in line for his permit!
Wait a damn second here..
His statement is that she started DRIVING TOWARDS HIM IN A CAR.. She refutes that... initial report done, and no charges are filed. She then whines to the city council (probably knew one of them) they put it in front of a liberal judge, and suddenly he's the bad guy.
I'm sorry but 'disparity of force' comes into play when someone is in a fucking car driving at you. Disparity of Force is defined as a situation that any reasonable person would conclude places you at an overwhelming disadvantage in your effort to protect yourself against immediate and serious bodily injury.
He drew his weapon, and pointed it at her vehicle. That was enough for her to cease her actions.
Reverse the situation and remove your double standards of this poor defenseless woman driving.
It's a woman out of her car, with a man driving towards her, she pulls her revolver.. Same situation.. yet you'll think it's warranted.
Ever been hit by a car? 3k+ lbs moving even at 5mph isn't a love tap. At 15mph it HURTS like hell.
Cops looked at surveillance video and could find no proof either way to support their claims..it became he said she said. They left it at that, lesson learned. But one party throws a fit, takes it to someone she knows on the council, who heard HER side of the story. Gives it to a judge HE knows.. and wham.. charges. Now the man legally carrying his firearm, who did not even have need to discharge, just present it, is made to look like the BG because a poor woman in a defenseless 3k_ lb blunt object was driving at him for a parking space.. [Bang]
Filter them both out of the gene pool. Arguing over a parking space at King Soopers is about the stupidest thing I can think of getting into an altercation about. Holy crap, one of them might have had to walk an additional 20 friggin yards to get to the door! That's certainly a reason to use deadly force.... [Rant1]
"The investigator also pointed out the camera quality wasn't good enough to tell if a person is holding anything in their hands that would be considered small."
If she was menacing him with a car that would not be small and even a poor quality video will show this. If she did this, the video will all be needed for his case. If not, he shouldn't own a gun, much less have a concealed permit.
It's hard to say here. Some parking lot cameras are moving back and forth so they can have fewer cameras. If it missed the whole thing he should walk but I'm not so sure about keeping a permit. I have a bum knee and don't move fast. Even for me, in the time it takes to draw and aim, I could between two parked cars.
Steve
This is exactly what law abiding gun owners and carriers do not need.Quote:
Originally Posted by alxone
I have not read all of the comments but he is probably lucky the other person was not another law abiding gun carrier...they could have defended themselves if a gun was pointed at them.
Its a lot of he said she said. I don't know if he is on this fourm(so forgive my lack of details) but a guy ridding his scouter on the shoulder and had his pistol on his belt and some guy almost hit him, and then guy on scouter flipped the bird and guy in car called the cops and said he pulled his gun on him. So Unless i was there I really can't say. just lots of ass holes out there
amen brother [Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
All the he said, she said BS, is exactly why I very seldom open carry anymore.
Well I don't know how much of it is going to be he said/she said if he admitted it and turned himself into the police
Well he had no choice, and as a concealed weapons permit holder, it was the right thing to do. Once the initial report was done, and no charges were brought against him, he learned from the experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDen2005
He probably then got a call from the investigator assigned the case after it was forced upon the city council...
Well way to Monday Quarterback this one guys. None of you where there and the only info posted was from the news. I am sure the news is always right. I hope you dont choose who you will vote for with the same ill regard.
I need a permit that atomically allows me to do something. Anything.Quote:
Lindsay, 53, has a concealed weapons permit, but that doesn't atomically allow the permit holder to show the weapon in public.
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Originally Posted by bobbyfairbanks
Totally agree.. The site host has moved us into a pasture :)
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I'm with everyone who's stated we're not hearing the whole story...
In my experience, there's at least 3 sides to every story- in this case:
1) the one this lady is spouting to the news, maybe even matches what she told police.
2) the one the CHP owner told the police when he turned himself in
3) exactly what happened, with no partiality and nothing left out
in the end, nobody was hurt- and the local news got a field day... hoping to bump their ratings with sensationalism...
Guys, Put the hammer and nails down and step away from the cross...
Lets play what if.
What if this statement is true
road rage is ugly, it knows no gender.Quote:
Lindsay told investigators the woman started driving towards him and because he was now out of his car he "feared for himself and did remove his handgun from his pocket."
I had a woman try to run me down in the best buy parking lot near 92d and Sheridan. Psycho bitch took out 4 cars.
Yes, over a parking spot.
I have that effect on women :D
I am not saying anyone was right or wrong here. I'm Simply stating we are wrong for perpetuating the trial by media.
Sometimes, proper use of force simply means letting the person threatening you know you are armed and will defend yourself if needed.
On a side note: Should someone direct their motor vehicle at me while I have my son, they would find the corpse behind the wheel, with the vehicle still in drive.
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Originally Posted by foxtrot
I'm Sorry sir, Media spin gives permit holders a bad name.
You have already convicted him without a trial.
again, we weren't there, we dont know what happened, he says he was already out of his car when she drove her car at him, she says he pulled the gun for no reason.
I believe it's up to 2 lawyers to prove and 12 jurors to decide.
The THREE Cops seemed to think it was a bunch of BS until she went crying to the city council about it... Yet another case of politicians trying to do everyone's job except their own.Quote:
"On the initial scene the officer presented what was known at the time to his sergeant and then lieutenant. After a discussion based on the accounts of the people involved, no independent witnesses and no other compelling evidence it was determined that no party would be charged.
and to be honest, if the three cops are called to the stand for the defense and asked "Why didn't you initially charge him?" That case is getting pitched out like yesterdays trash.
And as Usual, her mouth is hurting her case.
Defense attorney: So Ma'am, you are trying to convince this court that you were terrified and in fear for your life by something you described as a "pretty little gun"Quote:
"He stepped out of his vehicle... pulled a revolver, a black revolver and it was a pretty little gun, it was newer type, small and he just mouthed at me, 'Move your car,'" she said.
and the fact that they prop up something as small as unlawful display of a weapon as opposed to felony Menacing. I See nothing coming of this except an excuse for the Brady campaign to take your guns.
I am shipping mine to the Philippines.
damned non-conformists
Rules dont apply to them.
Seems she was going the wrong way as well?
while I know it isn't illegal, for me it says a bit about her character.
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Originally Posted by foxtrot
100% agree, more facts are needed to fine him, but I have no legal implications based on what I say, so I quarterback away! Simply put, based one what they both said, he is a dumb ass. Even if she tried to run him over, he could have avoided this one before it started, easily. Back up two feet, give up the spot. Take your head-rat for a walk. Move on with your life.
Just for fun. Did OJ do it? You weren't there, or in the jury...
So her traveling the wrong direction..they both go to pull into the spot.. she nearly hits him.. He backs up slightly and steps out of his car with his arms up in the WTF gesture.. she pulls forward at him.. Don't tell me none of you have ever done it..
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Originally Posted by Monky
I'll tell you I haven't done it. A parking spot isn't something that I would get upset to the point of doing what he did. I would go pick another spot and grumble under my breath about what a bitch she was. That's it. I wouldn't get out of my vehicle, and I wouldn't make a big deal out of it.
As an aside, her driving towards him isn't reason enough to pull a gun out. Too easy to move to the side and out of the way, thus threat elimination.
X2 and there is no way I would have pulled my weapon. There is not a beeeeatch on this earth that could hit me with their car in a busy King Soopers parking lot. I could evade easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneGuy67
I'm not arguing the fact that she was not a bitch. I'd bet a dollar to doughnut hole, that she was, is and always will be a bitch. However big of a bitch she was or still is, he was wrong to pull his weapon. In the time it took to pull his weapon, he could have stepped out of the way of her car.
excellent comment....all that really matters.AS a responsible gun owner/permit holder drawing your weapon should be the last option...this was obviously not his LAST option. What was the lady going to do? run into his car? That sounds like a stupid thing to do, although...bitches be crazy. Like luckydog said, pulling a gun on a defenseless woman in the parking lot of a king soopers doesn't seem like one of the options he should've made. ALSO if he mouthed something to her why would he try to do it discretely? If your life is really in danger and you need to pull your weapon you want the witnesses to be on YOUR side so you'd want them to know what was going on exactly. the guy looks like a dipshit, who was looking for an excuse to pull his gun. just my two cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorado Luckydog
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Originally Posted by Hkguy45
you obviously have never had a crazy bitch try to run you over and destroy (total) 4 other cars in the attempt.
Im not saying right or wrong or who's lying or telling the truth.
One thing I am noticing is this allot of people are overlooking the fact that this 'Poor defenseless woman" was at the controls of a 2-5 thousand pound battering ram (depending on make/Model and options).
Personally, I cannot wait until someone makes some sort of accusation against one of you so I can sit here and armchair a verdict based on the partial facts spun up by the liberal media.
I am honestly surprised since it was black revolver that they didn't label it an "assault weapon."
Based on the fact that an officer, his supervisor and his supervisors supervisor saw no need for charges that there is more to the story than 9News is letting on.
Lets let the courts do their jobs.
^ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
I've been hit by a crazy bitch driving a car.. I only wish I'd have seen her and been able to shoot her.. I was lucky the asphalt broke my fall. Anyone who thinks it's not a threat.. I invite you to stand in front of my car and take a love tap... need you to sign this first though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
If his first instinct was to grab his weapon, the car wasn't that close. Nature itself would make you get out of the way. If he got out of the way, then there would be no reason to pull his weapon. I'm not buying his reasons for pulling his weapon.
So by your own admission then you are not a fight person, but a flight person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorado Luckydog
and no because he is this makes him wrong? because if something happens EVERYONE reacts exactly the same. [Bang]
watch the video... its right at about 20' person to person... and about 3-4' bumper to bumper (Granted its a recreation based on HER side of the story)
Kudos for him keeping his mouth shut ... now.
I can only speculate at the advice of counsel.
I agree with byteQuote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
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also, remember the epic beard man video. the black guy that EBM beat up was polite and soft spoken in later interviews, but in the video he acted very differently.
Is that better?
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oh, and you're gonna have to share that story about the woman trying to run you over byte
I agree with the dropping of charges. Her word isn't good enough. The police investigated it and the news is tweaking the tone and fooled all of you.
Would I have done the same? Hell no.
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Originally Posted by Elhuero
it was a Saturday afternoon. From the lane that runs parallel to the front of the store, I Made a right into a parking lane and took a front spot (Almost completing a U-Turn). Well I Guess the psycho woman (hereafter PW) was making a left into the same lane, and as I Had the right of way I went before her and took the spot PW perceived as "hers". following a barrage of racial slurs and her telling me how I was keeping her people down she tries to fit her dodge van in between the truck (Blue Dodge D-50) and the car I had parked next to (a silver sedan something imported).
She slams it into reverse as I run behind her van and towards the store. She plows two more cars in reverse as I bolt inside telling someone to dial 911.
Of course she flips it that I Cut her off called her all sorts of names and I had a gun or a knife or something. I didn't at the time and following my life being rummaged, the PD came to the same conclusion.
Then when we went to court we got to hear about how it was not her fault that she was on some strong pain killers and anti-depressants " 'cuz her momma died and she has pains in her hips."
Thankfully there were only about a dozen people willing to come forward that saw the reality of it the same way I did.
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