Okay. Can we move on to more important things, now?
Obama is apparently holding a press conference confirming that, indeed, someone who hates America can be born in America.
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Okay. Can we move on to more important things, now?
Obama is apparently holding a press conference confirming that, indeed, someone who hates America can be born in America.
I still havet seen it.
In the end I don't care. It has taken this long to come up with something? Fuck that. I would be denied a damn drivers license if I didn't have mine. Yet this guy can be president for 2 years. Something is seriously wrong with that.
At the end of the day it wont change a thing. People will now say he took 2 years to get everything in order to produce a fake with fake records to prove it. I will side with these people. But it isn't going to matter. He will stay in office and more money and time will be wasted over the birther issue.
I think it's ridiculous that people are so hung up on this issue. I'm a little more concerned with the economy, the war, etc...
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Originally Posted by sniper7
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The BC issue has always had a niche for the simple fact that if the man isn't eligible, he isn't eligible. For the "it doesn't matter" crowd- excuse me? It does matter.
I have always been more curious of all the documents since he was born that have been sequestered.
Adoption records,College, Passport and financial aid records, any writings from the Harvard Law Review etc. I think if there is a nefarious angle to him here is where it would be seen. There are far too many unseens and unknowns for this "document" to settle everybodies appetite.
Timing is an interesting thing. The White House didn't give a damn on this issue until Trump got involved. Just what did Donny find?
Why did the WH not release this when numerous lawsuits were pending on this issue?
Why did the WH not release this when a US Army officer was facing Court Martial?
Really it kinda raises more questions.
The fact that he has contradicted himself numerous times in reference to the books he "wrote".
The fact that he is using a questionable SSN from a state neither of his parents were from.
Trust? and verify. You cant verify if he wont produce the documents.
Too many layovers in the Midwest for you sir. [Coffee]Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
My Question is then, Where did his name Barry (Don't know if I spelled the right) come from
a nicknameQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_187
So let me get this straight, it wasn't good enough when he didn't release it and now that he is it still isn't good enough? Oh please. If you want to see it it is in just about every news website on the internet. It looks exactly like my state of hawaii birth certificate
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...-long-form.pdf
The real story is that now Donald Trump has to release his tax return lol
BO has to keep his record going of lying at least once a day. It's his pact with the Devil. If he doesn't its back to Hell.
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Originally Posted by Pancho Villa
[ROFL1]
Excellent post for coming back from lurking for so long. Well done.\
Bert, they released it now because people are starting to run for POTUS again, and they want to get it out of the way now.
I am one of those "it doesn't matter" people, mainly because the cat could be born on Mars, all his papers are in order and he isn't going to be tossed out of office early.
Plus, if he is, Biden gets to be prez. So, from lazy uncanny idiot to wild, unpredictable drunk idiot. I say that would be a downgrade.
Re: Why now? Well, Ben Bernanke is holding a press conference trying to justify the fed's recent policies. Maybe to keep that off the front page?
Well after 3+ years I think he can come up with a pretty good forgery of such.
I mean he has now met all the POWERFUL crooks in the US.
Timing. Now no one can throw out the argument about him not being born here, the document is in the public domain for anyone to see.. It wasn't an issue till he took office, and since he is going to run for re-election he is getting it out of the way first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho Villa
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
Hell it wouldn't require that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
As a professional graphic designer I could fake a birth certificate from the early 60s well enough to fool all but the best forensic document examiners. Photoshop rules.
Again I suspect that he was born in Hawaii but he kept the controversy alive because he gained from it politically ... he and his handlers have done the calculations and figure it helps him more now to end the controversy than to keep it going (I don't understand their calculus here ... I thought he was still getting good traction against Republicans with the whole "birther" label).
I think they made a gross miscalculation and they've just thrown away one of their best bludgeons.
I'm pretty sure, that even with my extremely limited resources, I could come up with a birth certificate for my self from any/all 50 states, as well as several foreign countries in the space of 3 years. This does nothing to dispell my theory that Mr. Obama is a plant, put in place by China/North Korea/Iran/Saudi Arabia, for the sole purpose of destroying the US culturally and economically.
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Originally Posted by TFOGGER
At least he's not a Shrub like the former prez.[ROFL1]
Maybe that explains why Bush liked to spend time at the ranch clearing Brush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
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I think Zundfolge nailed it. It allowed many opponents to waste time on this and appear nutters to the more moderate voters he needed. Personally I think if he had been foreign born Hillary would have dug it out. Mud is the Clinton's specialty and I don't believe she was running for Secretary of State. She wanted it all and a sick goat could have beat McCain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
I think if people wanted dirt they should have focused on his time in Chicago. Not hanging out with terrorists but with politicians. I lived there long ago and that is a totally corrupt city. Honest politicians are marginalized and mocked but he was somewhat successful. Even if he never took a bribe he was in the room when bad things happened.
Steve
You would think the government should be able to forge a legal document faster than 2 years. I think it's a joke, it should have been available to the public immediately. Period. No questions asked.
Ps:I dint have time to read the other posts, so if this was previously mentioned, I agree with you.
Forgery is extremely easy. Lining up some public officials to swear by it, making sure you don't leave any footprint in the public database might take roughly 2 1/2 years. [Tooth]Quote:
Originally Posted by TriggerHappy
I think the 30% of the voters (the right) won't change their mind anyway. I would focus on his record in economy, tarp, bailouts, Libya, immigration and so on to win the middle's votes
Double posting! N/M
I disagree with most of you. How many other Presidents have been hounded to show their birth cert? lol and I truly hope some of you are more intelligent then to think he wasn't born in the USA. And if he wasn't (which isn't the most logical of thoughts) he is the PRESIDENT. They could have him a perfect fake in less then 2 hours..
Now, I do believe there are more pressing issue's then Obama's BC. Like, IDK the United states econemy, China's continued growth and power, our war's in 3 counties etc.. I wish people would give it a rest
/sits back and waits for the fun replies to that one! [Coffee]
[Luck]
Got trolled by a smurf?
I got the popcorn!!!!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rAJe_CypsZ...corn_10000.jpg
And surprising no one, this makes no difference at all to the "birthers".
The birth certificate is a HUGE red herring to this ^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho Villa
Welcome back Pancho Villa
lol no trolling here. I truly don't understand the logic to doubting his BC is real. Unless your IQ is less then 24, and should recieve special help at a special home[Coffee]. And we are in a war in Iraq, Afgan, and now the middle east is about to pop. And we have people talking about his Birch certificate lol kills me[ROFL1]
Do you understand the significance of the topic?
Well, I never doubted he wasn't a natural born US citizen. Never had a reason to. So, no.. I guess I don't.. I just think there are bigger more pressing issues for our News and media to cover.. IMO
This is my problem with this whole argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by WellHungSmurf
If you are not 100% convinced of something that is frankly unprovable then you're an "idiot Birther".
I'm sorry but prior to today's release of the actual birth certificate, questioning whether it existed or not was a legitimate position (especially since Obama stonewalled on its release).
But resorting to fallacious logic and assertion of Alinsky's rules #5 and #12 doesn't really make YOUR side of the argument any more logical, reasonable or intelligent than that of the "birther" side (which is also unprovable BTW).
Oh and it's i before e EXCEPT AFTER c (re: receive).
It's comparable to the fact that Obama is not The Messiah, yet the libtards still worship him. /SQuote:
Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
Of course he's the messiah. He said I'd get a job at the unicorn factory just as soon as the economy turns around.
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Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Did you question Goooood Ol' George W. Bush if he was a natural born citizen? I guess some people question if Obama was a natural born citizen, I always thought it was the right trying to push his buttons. Oh well its over now..
Was there ever any doubt that Bush was born here?
GW's birth was never in question, Obama's was ... its as simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by WellHungSmurf
Now as for GW the left and the media DID call him an idiot because he wasn't a straight A student ... but Obama hasn't released HIS transcripts ... hmm.
Its unicorn FARM not factory ... sheesh [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
Laugh if you like, but I'll be first in line to have my own Mr. Toots.
I personally never had any doubt that Obama was born here. I met people who thought otherwise but for me, and others I don't think there was any doubt..
lol Bush was called a moron not because of his grades, his use of Bushisms is why people called him dumb.
"I'm telling you there's an enemy that would like to attack America, Americans, again. There just is. That's the reality of the world. And I wish him all the very best." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009
I guess it's OK to call the secretary of education here 'buddy.' That means friend." --George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Jan. 8, 2009
"People say, well, do you ever hear any other voices other than, like, a few people? Of course I do." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2008
I don't wanna argue this, it's a mute point now. I wasn't defending Obama, or bashing Bush. I was simply saying, with wars going on I was suprised this is such a big deal. Esp after he has been in office for two years. Seems silly to me
I never bought into Obama being born elsewhere, however, when he decided to run for the public office of President of the United States, and being a law grad, he should surely know that proving his natural born citizenship could come up, and by accepting to run for office, he accepted that he may have to show his birth certificate to prove it to the public. He works for us, not the other way around. We have a right to question his birthplace, especially when he refused to let us see the birth certificate. If he wanted privacy, he should of took a job at a factory, not a public office.
I know we have alot of issues in this country now of utmost importance, but one thing that cant be argued is, if the guy in the whitehouse won't respect a simple rule that's been in the constitution for over 200 years, how can we expect him to honor anything else, like leaving office if he is voted out? If we cant follow the most basic of laws setforth by our forefathers, we have already failed. Saving the country not only entails fixing the debt, the economy, and our selves, it means following the laws, without which we have anarchy. And blatant disregard for the laws is what ushers in the dictators, etc.
people will just say its a forgery/conspiracy.
you still have 9/11 truthers and the moon landing was faked people, who have been empirically proven wrong yet still spout their mess.
I don't think christopher hitchens would believe in God even if Jesus showed up and made him an omelette.
let them. they can do what they want. free country.
now I want to see barry's college transcripts.