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In this forum is it the person that posts "I will take it" in the the thread first or if the seller gets a PM and no public declaration in the open forum first? I am also interested in what other members think is the FAIR way to handle these situations.
I feel that the person that declares they want it at full asking price in the thread is the rightful owner of "first" and then PM to arrange details.
Discuss....
Mark
generally PM's rule, its personal preference on whether people post "ill take it" or "pm'd" sometimes something will fall though the cracks and you will find it late and just PM the guy so it doesnt bring attention to the great deal that fell though the cracks. Most people will go by pm's first and work out a deal or move to the next pm. But once a deal has been made, its a deal if someone PMs 30 min later offering more and you back out it will be frowned upon by all...hope that helps
I'll usually deal with the first to PM me.
First stamped date by the terms including prices, location, followed by whether your a libtard or conservative... [ROFL1]
When I am selling anything it's 100% my discretion who I will or won't sell too. No time stamp, first in line or anything else means anything until I agree to complete a deal with the person of my choosing. Way to many variables in firearms transactions to look at it any other way. Bottom line is it's mine until a deal is agreed upon!
Rooter
i agree. i have usually taken the first person, and it has bitten me in the ass. that person lives 140 miles away. cant do the transaction for 10 days, etc.. Plus, alot of us advertise our stuff on multiple sites. I usually take the first person, but it would be better for me to look at who is closer and who can complete the transaction with the least pain to me. faster, closer, these things matter. but, if you make a deal, then its a deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooterbegger
I have probably sold more stuff when someone sends me a PM. Not everyone likes to make a public announcement that they intend to purchase something. Some people prefer to be a little more discreet I guess.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
I typically sell the the person the first person who offers full price, is closest and can complete the sale soonest, or I have had had previous dealing with. I wont go out of my way or waste any of my time on someone who wants to meet up to "make an offer". Ive mailed an item to someone who I knew was responsible, rather then meet up with someone who wanted to "make and offer". First come first served. And coar15>armslist>cologunmarket>adds anywhere else
It is, without a doubt, up to the person that posted his stuff for sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by NitroxBoss
Maybe he doesn't like you, your avatar, or something else. Until the $$$ changes hands, it is still his.
If the seller does this often enough and turns out to be a turd, that is what the feedback forum is for. Eventually people wont want to buy his stuff because of him.
If an unknown individual who just joined the forum and has no posts says they want an item I have for sale, I'll usually wait 24 hours to see if an established member with positive feedback wants it.
TWICE I've had new members say "I'll take it" but their PM said they wanted to pay less than my posted price and have me ship it out of state on my own dime.
I've had guys contact me on armslist who I'm fairly certain were bad guys, or at least mentally deficient. I don't even respond to emails full of misspellings and street slang. I only sell guns to responsible, law-abiding grown-ups who eat all their vegetables.
I take the first person to post if I posted in the "pay it forward" thread. If I post in the normal sale forums I usually take the first PM. And I am not one to take a better offer after I have made a deal.
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
Besides, in the end it's the owners decision. I usually send a PM and then post "PM sent".
After that, its in the owner's hands.
Agreed. On a number of occasions I've received a full price offer after agreeing to accept a lower priced one. I never go back on my word, unless of course the buyer doesn't seem legit. Same goes for buying an item. When I say I'll take something, I will take it. No bullshit unless the item isn't as described or the seller is sketchy.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMP_5.56
Same here. Sometimes my PM is because I want to purchase something, sometimes it is just a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by IDFYF8
Definitely up to the seller what he/she does.
Wholly at the discretion of the seller. It is their merchandise and they have the right to sell or not sell to whomever and under their terms.
Where the question lies is the integrity of the seller.
A seller with integrity will answer inquiries in the order received and proceed with the sale as they deem appropriate.
This is a free market system and typically it is first come, first serve.
Unless the seller post's a -"first to reply with a " I'll take it" a post denoting an inquiry really doesn't mean much and as much as you hate to hear it a "I'll take it" post doesn't always mean the item is yours.
I will post a "inquiry sent" or such as a courtesy to the others on the board, but they aren't generally a requirement.
The prospective purchaser has no way of knowing if pm's or e mails were sent prior to your contacting the seller.
That is where a purchaser has to hope they have a seller with integrity.
Now a seller with less moral fiber is a problem and typically get weeded out pretty efficiently.
X2 I don't know how many times in the morning after a few cocktails the night before, I had to go buy something I really didn't want. But when you say you will take it, you have to take it. Unless, it is not as described.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akyla
Thanks for all the feedback guys!
Mark
for me, on here the first one to say they will take it for my asking price or the first person that offers me a price that I agree to wins. either in a PM or a post.
that is on here.
on craigslist...i don't give a shit who you are. first one with cash...or with the most cash wins. i have pissed people off, i have been not called back, i have had people say they are on their way and not show up, people that say they want the item then show up to re-nig or offer a lowball price.
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Originally Posted by sniper7
I'm not going to let the site that I am on determine my integrity. If I choose to advertise somthing there, I will treat the people the same as I would anyone here.
I've recently had an offer turned down, then the person contact me the next day to accept my offer as long as the deal could be done ASAP.
Sellers can be finicky and buyers can be down right strange.
I wish all the sellers were like you guys. Twice I posted I'll take it with no answer back. At least I'd like an answer and a reason my first posted offer was ignored. Once I step in too deep and have to sell. I'll probably experience everything you guys stated.
We don't have any rules on this subject on this site, nor do I believe that we should.
As many have stated, what it ultimately comes down to is integrity on both sides of the deal.
We do have some site rules covering deals but thee are rarely an issue a most often everything flows smoothly.
It is only when someone has clearly violated a posted rule that we will get involved - and only if we absolutely must. We actually prefer to have both parties work things out on their own.
I tried to interceed on someones behalf a while back and it bit me in the butt big time. After everthing went to sh!t and my reviewing the individuals initial request for assistance, I found that all they really wanted was advice, not for me to interceed. I will NEVER make that mistake again.
Overall we really do have few rules covering transactions - hoping that everyone can playnicely together in the sandbox since we are all adults. None of us wants this site to implement all of the rules you see in play over @ ARFCOM.
Just my thoughts.
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Originally Posted by theGinsue
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Originally Posted by theGinsue
I have had many great transactions through this site and C.L. but I just can not understand the few who re-post to seek a higher bidder or tank on a deal for a higher price offer after a deal has been arranged. If you want full price state FIRM and stick to it. I have posted both firm and "best offer" but when a "deal" is arranged for a meet and a price is agreed.. FOLLOW THROUGH.
Seems like the basics but I remember emailing on C.L. when there was 20 posts total per day and only a few here. Who knows?
Oh yeah, if Osama Bin Laden is really toast? NICE! Thanks troops!
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I'm just thankful for all the great deals, pleasant transactions, and good people I've met through this place! Thanks again to everyone I've dealt with here, I couldn't even begin to remember who you all are.
And a special thanks to mx'r for continuing to hold that box of ammo for me, I swear we'll get together soon! That's the one deal that bothers me, I just can't seem to get over that direction.
You haven't done a lot of deals on craigslist then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorado Luckydog
I have done a ton on both as well as arfcom. Arfcom I treat the same way as here. Just something about some people on craigslist.
I've sold two guns. Both excellent transactions. One the buyer offered full price and the other the buyer offered a very respectable deal, nothing low ball or ridiculous.
I bought ammo off of someone else, which was an excellent transaction, but I was new to the site and am sad to say I never gave feedback because I didn't know about it at the time...and now don't remember who that was.
I haven't had any bad experiences yet.
I have probably sold over 20 items on Craigslist and have bought about 50. Maybe not a lot but enought o get a good feel for it. I'm just not going to let someone elses actions affect my integrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
As stated multiple times already, it is entirely up to the seller to decide:
Who he whats to sell to,
How much he'll sell it for,
Where the transaction is made.
There are No entitlements. A Posting or PM doesn't give you the 1st right to buy something (unless that is what the seller said in his ad). But with Pm's there is no way to know if you were truly 1st anyway. It stinks when you think you were 1st and they sell it to someone else (happened to me several times), but that's just the way it goes.
As far as the ethical/integrity side of it, the only thing that is a big deal to me is if you back out of a deal that you already made. But if one or the other party wants to change anything about the agreement (price, time to meet, place, etc.) then that's up to them. You are only (ethically) required to keep the terms of the original agreement.
Example: Person A is going to sell an item to Person B on Monday. Person B says they now can't make it, so how about Wednesday. Normally, Person A should/would agree to that if it worked for them. But I don't think they're tied to that any longer. Person A may need that sale done so they can buy something else they have set up on Monday night (etc.).
Overall - this site is pretty good. I've been pleased with basically everyone that I've done a deal with (partial exception of 1).
I've only had one bad experience on here.
I worked out a deal to take time off to meet with someone and inspect/purchase what they were selling the next day. I had offered to buy the item that night if they got back to me in time to get to the bank before they closed but the seller contacted me about 15 minutes after 6 PM so no dice there (amount was too much for my daily ATM withdraw limit). I get off work after using PTO on short notice only to have the guy say "Sorry, sold it last night". He didn't think that should require a phone call. Now it was a great deal on a gun and I was bummed I wasn't going to be getting it. But I was absolutely pissed that I put my neck on the line at work asking for half the day off on extremely short notice for something to most managers wouldn't be worthy of leaving work.
To me, that's totally unacceptable.
another gun forum I'm on uses "Goose Rules" (a member by the name of Goose posted this on one of his ads and it's become "law")
The Goose's Disclaimer:
First and foremost if you want something I am selling then say “I will take it”. I do not consider questions or inquiries as a commitment of any sort. Terms like “I am interested” mean nothing. The fact that we may be having a dialogue does not mean that I am waiting for you to make a decision. The person who steps up and says “I will take it, when do we meet” closes the deal.
• I expect you to read the ad. Every single time I sell anything I get at least one and usually multiple questions about something that is already stated in the ad. Yes it has a 5” barrel AS STATED IN THE FREAKIN” AD!
• I expect YOU to know that you want the item. I am not a store. Do your own research and visit a gun shop if you just want to handle a particular gun. And no I will not meet you at your club so you can try it out to see if you like it. Of course you get to inspect the gun before you buy it, but barring a mechanical or condition issue I expect you to buy it. If you are not sure then do not waste my time. I once met a prospective buyer at the range so that he could try out a revolver I was selling. After trying it out and BSing for more then an hour he simply said that it just did not fit his hand right. WTF!
• If you want to negotiate that is fine, but do not start out by telling me that my price is too high. This is not a good way to make friends and influence people. I have never made a dime on any private sale ever. In fact I routinely lose money and have often cut deals for a friend. I may be asking more then you want to pay, but the price is never too high. Also as stated in the first item above I do not consider negotiating a form of commitment. If you are in the process of offering less then I am asking and someone else says “I will take it” then you lose. Don’t bitch at me.
• I reserve the right to sell to whoever the hell I want. Having said that I scrupulously sell to the first person who makes a firm commitment. Provided that person does not piss me off. Such as demanding that the transaction take place that day, when it does not work for me. Also do not assume that just because you are the first person to post a reply on the forum that you are also the first person to contact me directly. Not everyone posts a reply, some folks just PM an “I will take it”. I am not obligated to justify anything to some guy I have never met who demands to know why he did not get the deal when he believes he was the first in line. You may also rest assured that if you take that tack that you will also not be first in line if the initial deal falls through.
• Do not agree to a deal on line and then offer me less when we meet. If that happens the deal is over, no matter what. A deal is a deal. The time to negotiate is during the initial transaction, once the deal is made that’s it.
Someone needs to sticky "The Goose Rules" so that when an ad is posted the poster can just say" Goose Rules Apply."
Sticky's are not read as it is. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SideShow Bob
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Originally Posted by SideShow Bob
It's amazing how just a little 'civility' goes a long way.
Additionally: If I see your item posted and then I snoop around and find virtually the same item for substantially less... providing you with links to these comparatives and then asking why yours is so different is NOT AN INSULT... NOR IS IT A SLAM. Take a freakin' chill-pill, bucko! It is, instead, a very reasonable question. Maybe... like I discovered in a couple of deals... there were key facts that the poster inadvertantly failed to disclose. After the disclosure of said facts, the comparatives were no longer true comparatives. Twice now... with a little more info... I agreed with the OP and met their asking price as they were indeed screaming deals! The flip side of the coin is that I have had a seller call me everything his pea-brain could conceive of because he felt that I was low-balling him... even after I provided Local Links to the exact same item being offered. Hey, I agree... it was HIS SALE to run as He Saw Fit. However there is no need to spew vitriol! Even if you feel that you are being "low-balled", a simple "No, thanks" or "I'm sticking with my price" is quite sufficient.[Rant1]
Ain't that the truth, especially if the title says "Must read and Acknowedge !."Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrymrc
hahahahaha - Sounds like you feel our pain!
Hmmm, "Goose" sounds like he would fit in here. His rules sound just like what the rest of us have said previously, either in this post or another on the site that previously covered the topic. It all boils down to integrity - either you have it or you don't.
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Originally Posted by alan0269
When I post a gun for sale here, I generally post it on Armlist or gunbroker, too. I clearly state, if I have it up for auction, that I will entertain offers until the first bid post on gun broker. If I get an offer, I suspend the auction. If I get a bid, I mark the post sold pending funds. If I have it here and Armslist or another forum, I reply in order received, PM, E-Mail or Forum post don't matter, and I sell to the first person who offers my asking price. Unless they turn out to be someone I don't want to have my gun.
I see a lot of post here that state, "First I'll take it, takes it." I don't like to go that route myself, buying or selling. So I don't put that in my post.
I want to look a fella in the eyes and shake their hand before I decide to make a deal, buying or selling. If they don't like the item or I don't like the buyer we are both free to walk. I think that is fair.
The gun I recently sold, which I believe prompted this discussion, went to the first person who responded. He paid what I was asking, after inspecting the gun, and showing me his LE credentials. I walked away happy and I'm pretty sure he did too.
On an auction site, I've agreed to sell the the highest bidder when I open the auction. I'm ok with that because it goes through an FFL. I would never agree to sell, to any joe with cash, on a gun board. Even the fine upstanding folks here ;)