I'm headed back to work and I'd like to put Ron Paul 2012 bumper stickers on our fleet of trucks. Is there a place in the Denver area where I can pick up a small stack of Paul stickers?
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I'm headed back to work and I'd like to put Ron Paul 2012 bumper stickers on our fleet of trucks. Is there a place in the Denver area where I can pick up a small stack of Paul stickers?
Don't Waste your vote, vote Ron Paul 2012
http://www.ronpaul.com/ron-paul-stor...mper-stickers/
Thank you for the link, but I was looking for a local place to stop by this afternoon.
Might try asking the people on this group:
http://www.meetup.com/The-Denver-Cam...iberty-Meetup/
H.
Hope you own the company.
If I had the dough I'd make a batch of Reagan/Thatcher 2012 stickers.
Not sure what type of business you are in but if it were my company I wouldn't put anything political on there. just fire anyone that drives their personal vehicle with an obama sticker.
My question would be, "Why would you want to do that?"
Yeah, that...Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Got the stickers, thanks to all who replied!
Awesome ... i'd buy one of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elhuero
We named or dog Thatcher (he's an English Shepherd).
It looks like Ron Paul is pro Illegal Alien, open borders this time around.[Rant2]
Imho- he is not electable. Talk about wasting your vote. No offense intended.
This,Quote:
Originally Posted by rocktot
And, this.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakerd
Illegal immigration isn't an issue anyone will bring up anyway. Romney is afraid to be called a 'racist' and most of the retardicans will not even address the issue, maybe Trump would have, but he has a democrat for a campaign manager, so its high ho, the way we go, third world America with no liberty and no gun ownership allowed in 20 years. I blame the 'moderate' retardicans[Stooge], but hey don't want to be too political here.[NoEvil]
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Originally Posted by sneakerd
That's exactly what they said about Ross Perot, and look at how WRONG they wh..., um, oh wait.
Never mind.
I've been a registered Libertarian for over 20 years and Ron Paul is too flaky, even for my party's majority.
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/border-security/Quote:
Originally Posted by rocktot
Did he flip-flop since '08?
H.
Yeah, but if the 2012 election was Obama v. Paul, who would the L's vote for?Quote:
Originally Posted by gcrookston
H.
A lock-step libertarian, no matter how much I agree with many of those principles, will not be elected.
I've always wondered if all the people that say they would vote third party, but feel it is a wasted vote. If all those people actually voted for those people, would it really be a wasted vote.co vote for the candidate I agree with the most. You can say It's wasted, but I can sleep with a clear conscious knowing I stood by my beliefs.
Standing by your beliefs is one thing, putting your vote towards an un-electable candidate is another. He's not even going for a 3rd-party vote, he's trying to be the Republican nominee. You know just as well as I do that he will not be the GOP nominee. As I said, I respect many Libertarian ideas, but I'm also realistic. He will not move far enough towards the center to be elected. All candidates must move towards the center during the election cycle, whether from the right or the left, to get elected. He's a fringe candidate.
So let us continue down this road and elect some turd burglar from either party. Gee where did my freedom go?
No other candidate even addresses liberty.
Unfortunately, in every election cycle we are presented with 2 "mainstream" candidates. 1 from the left, 1 from the right. Like it or not, this is a 2 party system, and that's just the way it is. We have to choose the candidate who most closely adheres to our individual values. 1 candidate represents 65% of what we truly believe, the other fulfills (in electioneering talk) 25% or less, of what we believe. Which one do you choose? Sitting it out "on principle" only helps the guy whose belief system least mirrors our own. I'll choose the guy who most closely resembles my beliefs, and will NEVER sit out an election on principle- just because I'm not in lock-step with the guy who is closer to my beliefs. The lesser of 2 evils is exactly that. Sitting it out on principle only helps the other side.
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Originally Posted by Hoosier
I can't speak for the L's. But if it came down to those two, the U.S. is more fare gone than I was hoping.
I have a hard time with Ron Paul, just because I like a lot of what he stands for, but I don't like the fact that he has some conservative social beliefs and has voted so several times. I'm a pretty staunch libertarian, so anything like that bugs me, but I know that the chance of a pure L being elected is pretty much nil right now. So I guess my decision will just have to wait and see who the end candidates are, but if it was Obama vs Paul, I would go PaulQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoosier
Absolutely, Obama vs Paul, I'll vote for Paul. Not because I am a staunch Libertarian (I'm not), but because if those are the choices, he is the lesser of 2 evils.
I'm so sick of the lesser of two evil stance. No offense to you personally sneakerd, but it just seems like a cop out. And one of the reasons why a third party candidate will never be elected. Because everyone is too busy voting for the lesser of two evils instead of voting their hearts. And if you aren't voting in the caucuses then the right candidate will never get into the final race.
These are hot subjects- I understand the 2 guys who are standing opposite each other arguing heatedly- when they actually believe much the same thing. I never take a conversation like this personally, unless another makes it personal. I too am terribly frustrated by our gov't. I think it will be (will be because it is going to happen) insane to raise the debt ceilling. Can we as citizens do that- NO. Force me to purchase health care insurance from the gov't? NO. Further intrude into my personal life? NO. Tell me I cannot smoke in my own home? (not a smoker) NO. Tell me what kind of vehicle I can drive partially by raising the cost of gas? NO. I can go on forever. [Beer]
Wow!! I am truly disappointed in my fellow members here!! [Bang]
Keep saying he's unelectable yet we keep electing all these ass hat republicans that don't do anything different. Do you guys think that way because Bill O'reilly told you so? Do you guys think this because Shaun Hannity told you so? What about Fox News? Did they tell you, or how about the national media? Did they say that you will be wasting your vote???
Let me ask you guys a few questions-
Do you think Newt Gingrich, with his third wife that he had an affair with on his second wife is going to win against Obama with his Billion $$$ campaign fund??
Do you think Mitt Romney, with his Obama style health care and his liberal policies are going to win against Obama with his Billion $$$ campaign fund???
Do you think that any of the other "same old" Grand Old Party candidates are going to win against Obama with his Billion $$$ campaign fund?
The only person thats going win against Obama and his Billion $$$ campaign fund is a person that is not like the rest of the "Good Ole' Boys"
That person is Ron Paul.
You guys keep thinking this way and we will see another 4 years of Obongo, and by any chance that a republican does get in the white house, it will be no different than Obama. We have had democrat and republican presidents for a long, long time and we have been traveling on the progressive steam engine for a long, long time.
Its time to wake up!
I am actually quite awake thank you. Putting your response/argument in bold red and/or black changes nothing. I'll put my 3rd gen Colt 44-40 SAA in a (sorry) left handed Bachman (Old West Repro) fully-tooled holster as on the cover of "Packing Iron" up against any equal collateral. I'll put right here in print the SN and any other info you want- one for one. Neither Ron or Rand Paul will be the GOP candidate for President in 2012. You hard-line absolutist Libertarians put your money where your mouth is- right here, right now. I challenge any of you.
I wouldn't take that bet. But unless or until the GOP fields a better candidate, I'm going to support Paul for the nomination. I don't agree with his stance in several areas either, but most of what he says IS "change I can believe in." Someone who understands the 10th amendment, at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakerd
He's not running as a third party candidate, he's running for the GOP. I'm hoping he gets the nod. However I bet we'll be left with some crappy candidate who simply panders to the far right wing base to win the nomination, then stands no chance against Obama.
H.
absolutist and Libertarian are diametrically apposed. But we have a lot of arm chair absolutists on this forum, and not many true Libertarians. Bethatasitmay, we won't see the Paul boys get too far if they have to answer for their records or have to account for their integrity. Mitt's a fiscal conservative, but he's got some interesting socialist ideas that won't fly. I quite like Huckabee, but he can't get any money behind him (too honest a guy), and he recognizes that and won't run. Trump is a self aggrandizing lampoon of a success and a serial bankrupt (of course, if the country needs a guy that knows how to dodge creditors, he might just qualify).Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakerd
Guess this leaves Sara Palin's daughter. I mean, since she had her cosmetic surgery she's looking pretty hot. How many kids you know her age that have been able to sock away a few million? Speaking of age, we'll just get the birthers to come up with a birth certificate showing she's a hot 45 something. It's about time they contribute concrete something to the little circus they run.... [Stooge]
Anyone here know of rick Scott of Florida? I don't know much about him yet but I've heard his name ( in GOOD context) quite a few times.
I wasn't trying to direct my post to you in particular. I just get frustrated with the "He doesn't stand a chance" argument. Question is WHY doesn't he stand a chance? Because the mainstream media says so? The mainstream media doesn't vote in the primaries, we do. So if you want to just right him off then go right ahead. I'm well aware of the chances of his GOP nod. I'm sure he is also. In my opinion he is doing it more to promote the ideals of liberty and change the course of the debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakerd
The fact is we can't afford another standard/progressive republican president any more then we can afford another democratic socialist.
So, what is a conservative to do? Just go with the same old shit or should we actually get some change for once?
When I voted for Paul in the '08 primaries we had a couple stand up and declare their support for Mitt Romney because, " he is the most conservative candidate that stands a chance of winning" They just basically wrote off Ron Paul because his views are not "ordained" by the establishment media. Just a bunch of "sleeping" people that let other people decide who is "qualified" to run their corporate welfare government............
Lets just hope that this time people actually vote for the most conservative candidate this time , because this country will be no more in another 4 years......Hell, it may already be to late.......
Just an FYI that'll probably get me all beat up- In the current GOP line-up, I'll take Newt Gingrich. With all of his thaws and issues, he's the smartest guy up there and I'll take that guy, who is one hell of a historian, not likely to ignore or repeat historical mistakes of the past. Also keep in mind, that I consider all of this a good-natured argument between friends. [Coffee]
Also, I don't think the lamestream media will cover Paul enough for anyone unfamiliar with his viewpoint to have any real idea where he stands.
Yes Global Warming Newt[Flower] [Plow]
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Originally Posted by sneakerd
Yup-ok, I just learned something about Newt I don't agree with. Found the Utube vid of him "debating" with John "3 bullshit Purple Hearts" Kerry.
He still speaks pretty logically if you listen to the whole thing. Kerry is stuck standing there just listening as the smarter guy speaks.
I still need more info on Newt, as he has skated around some social issues in the past, so I don't know where he stands on a few items. He's decent on a few issues, but I dunno enough yet
The Neo-cons are neuter or liberal on social issues. Homolovin, abortion, illegal immigration, immigration in general, etc...
A true conservative cannot get in and certainly will not become president, because of the Military Industrial Complex sucking money out to destroy and then 'rebuild' third world muslim countries, my god, they might try for all of North Africa now, to stay there forever, flooding America with the third world, the biggest problem, so that Nationalism will be impossible, banking system elects presidents, as well as wall street, all the power structure is involved, no way around it, and with the third world society looming in 20 years, the third world ass-kissing will get even worse. Its all planned, take down America, then install a one-world banking system. Not sure if Russia, China and India can get around it, work with it, or whatever, but America as we knew it is gone, and going fast. -Argentina anyone?
Kennedy DID what Ron Paul wants, he tried to close the Federal Reserve. Look what happened to him. (The 'red' seal on currency is from Kennedy, google it if you want to see it)
The best to hope for is a halfway decent RHINO, who may put in a couple conservative justices to save the Supreme Court for the next decade or 2, so they don't totally destroy the Social Structure with Multi-cultism. Anyone but Obama![Weight]