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Good start!!!
Great start keep the posts coming with pics and lists!
Will work on my list at work. (LOL yeah I know, but weekends on watch are slow) I'll keep my list in the Original Post and perhaps prices too to put in perspective what I have spent.
Great idea I wish I had did that. I would help keep things in perspective. It is real easy to get carried away and start buying lots of useless crap that eats up the hard earned money in your wallet
Great start! Best wishes with your BOB.
Thanks! Hard earned money and limited space/weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyfairbanks
This build is going to be my large kit, if my truck still works (zombie apocalypse, flood, etc) where I would need to leave home, It will be heavier than a backpack, but easy for two of us to grab and throw in the back of the pickup and go.
Once I get it built, I will work on the smaller bags for the kiddos and the two adults. I plan to have them compliment each other in a nested sort of way. So if I need to double up on things it will only be extremely useful items or items prome to being used up in a long-term situation. (Ammo, firestarters, food, water purification supplies, etc.) There are many pages on this section and all of them are really good reads. (I've already started reading 'one second after' lol)
Is there a core set of items that are a must have where I can start my research while I sort through the 9+ pages of threads in this section of the board?
I really like these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKI3E-8TLW0
But they are relatively hard to find and pretty expensive these days.
I thought about getting that M7 survival rifle and watched some reviews on youtube, but figured I already have a Ruger 10/22 along with 2 other .22's and didn't think I really needed one
I have the AR7 in one of my BOB's and I'm happy with it. It's not going to win any competitions but I have to say it's pretty darn accurate with fixed sights. I have several BOB's and the one with the AR is actually a medic backpack with:
AR-7 (plus 300 rounds .22) and a cheapo scope
10 AR-7 magazines
Emergency Water
Firestarters
Knife and sharpener
Wire saw
Emergency blanket
Signal mirror
Binoculars
CB Radio w/weather band
...and all sorts of other stuff.
This is generally the bag I grab on my way out the door if I am spending the day in the mountains. I also have smaller emergency kits in all my cars that have many of the same items but are more handgun specific (holster, ammo, etc) since I rarely (if ever) leave the house without a pistol.
I figured I would pick up the AR-7 since it would be good for hunting small things, and .22LR is compact, and not all that hefty to keep a bunch of rounds in my kit for longer term. It also kinda just fell into my lap and the price was right. It will also help with space constraints. Ohh and it floats. LOL
I don't have a Ruger, plan on gettin one, but due to a break-in, my firearm shopping list took a dramatic change and it isn't really high on my list. sucks to have to replace everything. I rarely ever leave the house without my pistol so that is a good idea I can write down for the smaller kits. Unfortunately I work on federal property so carrying to work is not an option.
I like the CB idea. I used to have a handheld unit that had like a 10 foot antenna, it was fun to use after I graduated from walkie-talkies with my buddy way back when.
Emergency water... I read a couple threads about water storage, but a LDS buddy of mine said that stored water can get rancid after several years. The subject of the conversation was home storage in the 55-gallon drum version, but I guess for a small kit, it would be easy to rotate several gallons every once in a while, and not all that expensive. I do a lot of pressure canning at home, and too bad mason jars are glass, because I thought that it would be awesome to can up some water for really really long-term storage. Just a thought.
Don't rule out a small filtering system like a Katydin Hiker,that what I have in my small BOB. Keeps the weight down also. [Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by rbeau30
Good start. Just think of the things that your house provides. You have a means to cook and boil water at home, so fire should be a top priority. Water of course is a priority as is shelter which can be something as simple as a military poncho or tarp and some bungee cords or 550 cord. I'd put in a few different ways to make fire such as a lighter of course and then some tinder. Look into other ways to make fire and research what was done 100+ years ago; things like flint and steel along with char cloth to catch the spark.
I'm not telling you to get rid of the rifle that you have, but have you considered something like a Thompson Center G-2? It's pricier, but you can get barrels in everything from .22LR to .30-30 and with a screwdriver to remove the forend you can swap them out in seconds.
Speaking of screwdrivers, a good multi-tool is worth its weight in gold. A good quality knife as well for game or a ton of other uses is a must have as well.
Just my thoughts on the subject. One last thing. You might try packing the stuff in the big tote in smaller packages and labeling them so that if need be you can open it up and grab some stuff if you have to leave the big kit behind for any reason.
All the water that has ever existed on the planet, has always been here, and is the same water every time, so it really can't get that bad.
I rotate gallon jugs of water, stored in my garage. I rotate about every 18 months.
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That is what I figured when I was having the conversation with my friend. I mean even if stored water started tasting funny, it is still water, unless something bad got into the storage container, you should be good. I figured at the very most you may at some point have to run it through a filter if it got scummy. But stored water should be a heckuva lot better than something out of a local stream.
That's exactly what I was going to say. If you are going to end up filtering outside water at some point, might was well store as much of your own as you can. That way it will just extend the time you have before you have to start drinking gutter water. Also, if you built a still, then you'd be equipped to deal with really dirty water.
Wow there is a lot of stuff being said that I really have not thought about yet. Especially the smaller bags in the big kit labeled just in case you had to bug out of your bug out location.
The best way to really sort out your BOB set up is to go ok today we are gonna go camping but will only bring our BOB's. Really stick to this and just grab your box of kit/ bags that are at the door ready to go. Shake out over night and you will see you dont need half of what you brought and you need a couple dozen things that you forgot. When you are packing always try to pack things that are multi use to save space. Good luck with the shake out. It ends up being a lot of fun. I always keep a bottle of something in my go bags so that shake outs end up having a happy ending next to a camp fire. Even when you forget the tent and it is raining.[Beer]
:-) Great idea. :-) Homebrew. Check!Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyfairbanks
So you think it's okay to drink water from any natural source without some type of filtration ? I'm not talking about stored water.Quote:
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Originally Posted by StagLefty
I would still clean/purify the water in some way, unless it is absolute emergency and there are no other choices
Big+ for the guys' comments above. Quick suggestion, I keep at a bare minimum 3 ways to make fire and purify water in my bag. I have a water pump, iodine pills, and a small pot to boil. For fire I keep 8 lighters, 10 books of matches, fire starter sticks, and flint. Just my 2 cents.
Nooooo, I never said without filtration. I was just making the point that water can't go bad, just get dirty.Quote:
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I was thinking the same thing... Water, and Fire are pretty high on the list of surviving neccessities, so I am thinking I would "nest" several ways of starting fires. For example on my person I always have a lighter. On my "grab and go" bags that is will be pretty much accessible at all times I'll have some sort of flint or magnesium starter, and for the big kit will be matches/another flint firestarter, etc.
For water filtration probably in the small kit I will have more Iodine tablets, and/or smaller filtration system (straw type, etc) since they are compact and things. In my larger kit I'll have the pump/more tablets/and a boiling vessel that can be dual utilized to boil/cook/reconstitute food.
Time for my Monday morning ESEE kool aid [ROFL1]-this is a great fire starter kit from them.Waterproof container with cotton balls and petroleum jelly packed inside,compass inside top, and going gear striker. Has not failed me yet to get a fire going.
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/a...es/firekit.jpg
That is an awesome lookin tool StagLefty!
Here's a link if your interested. You can use a knife for a striker but I prefer not to and bought some strikers from goinggear.com.
http://www.knivesshipfree.com/produc...oducts_id=3549
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Originally Posted by StagLefty
Ordered one before I went to bed this morning.
And yes, after a long night's work I look at coar-15 before I go to bed.
As do I... My days are 13+ hours. ahh well pays the bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDen2005
Can't go to bed without checking the forum though, it helps me sleep betterQuote:
Originally Posted by rbeau30
Anyone ever think about bringing things along like Salt that would be very useful practically (preservation) as well as for bartering?
Salt could be very saught-after for trading and such in a long-term situation.
I keep salt stored in the house but I don't think I'd pack it along with me. JMHO
Well I am sure it would be very heavy to have to carry any along that would be worth anything. [Weight]Quote:
Originally Posted by StagLefty
I just wanted to add my opinion- just in case you are wondering, my experience comes from my time in the army - I am a SERE level C graduate, and have also planned several real world mission E&E plans. I was also in the Rep of Georgia during the russian incursion in 2008.
This advice is pertaining to the concept of emergency water. In all honesty, you should not waste money or space storing water. You should have water carrying capacity, but it should be stored empty. I have a large alice with 8 qt carrying capacity, but thats all, they are empty. All my go bags are literally that, bags. boxes are good for cache's or stashes, but you are depending on the mobility of a vehicle. Spend money on a filter system, I have a katadyn with reservoir for the vehicle, and hundreds of purification tablets in case we are hoofing it.
consolidate your guns to a specific caliber. I have only 5 calibers for any of my multiple systems. 22lr for the kids, 9mm for pistols (all glocks with interchangeable mag capability), 5.56 for all ar's (again they can all use the same mag)s. One rem 700 308, one socom 2, and one mp5 in 9mm. and 2 shotguns, one defense and one wing gun, both 12 ga. Am i going to carry all this on foot, no, pistols and ar's are all that will go on foot, the rest is staged for vehicle.
food storage is limited to 3 days per person in MRE's for foot, after that its scrounging. The vehicle can carry 9 cases, all lrp's meals, not standard mre's - saves space and more calories per sq in of occupied space.
also have a book on wild vegetation and insects with pictures, very very handy!!
keep battery operated items to a minimum, and for emergency use.
And as my ranting dies down - keep this in mind, you cannot carry everything you will need, therefore you must assume that you can resupply from your surroundings, pack for mobility and ease of movement, label bags and everybag is redundant as in how it is crossloaded, so no matter what bag you grab in a hurry, because you don't know how i will go down, you will always have the basics that you need, so resist the urge to consolidate!!
Randy - 18C
^ I agree [Beer]
Yeah I have a largish ALICE/MOLLE type pack I used in the AF before they change the Camo pattern. It is the type that has a frame with kidney pads and I have a 3 day pack that attaches to it. This is where I am going to put the stuff I will need if I need to Grab and go.
I agree with the water... So I think I am going to try to find some collapsible containers to put in my kit, along with a pump filter I think.
I disagree with the water part. What if the best plan of action is to stay inside and lock the doors? Keep water in your house, cheap, easy, no reason not to. Thats like saying "don't keep ammo, you can always get some later" , not good planing IMHO. Water sources becomed contaminated, filters can get lost or broken, or left behind in a hurry, not to mention, a filter still needs water to filter, without that, its an expensive stick.
I keep at LEAST a gallon in every vehicle (along with a roadside hazard/emergency kit). I have a 2 liter jug (cheapo from walmart with handle) of water that goes with me EVERYWHERE, to work, to play, to my buddies house. Its part of my EDC, and it is constantly recycled because I try and drink all of it everyday to stay hydrated. Plus the emergency food bars are lighter and better for hoofing it if you ask me. I keep a few MREs in my bag, but only the entres and the heater.
Best way to stock up on water without breaking the bank or looking crazy is just to buy a few extra gallons everytime you go shoping. If you use it regularly, always add your new ones to storage and use the oldest jug you have first. The supply is always revolving and acumulates slowly over time.
The original thread is for a go bag, or bug out bag, not a pantry or vehicle storage. So keep that in mind when making suggestions.
you can store as much water as you like wherever you want, but how much are you going to put in your bag?? At 8.35 lbs per gallon, how much can you carry with you?
Like I said before, leave your bug out bag empty of so called "emergency water" have water carrying capacity to fill up when you have to move,
keep a gallon in the car if you like to fill the containers on the bag if you have to leave the vehicle.
If you are leaving from the house, I would hope you have some water stored to fill up and get going.
as for storing water in large quantities, not practical - and thats just the fact of the matter. If you were to base your system on accumulating water instead of the capability to purify found water, you won't get very far.
If the water resources are that contaminated that filtration doesn't work, then we are all screwed anyways, so keep stock piling if you like and prolong the inevitable.
As for filters breaking - follow the typiical rule, 1 is none, 2 is one and so on.
I'm not even going to touch on the emergency food bars issue with you - When you look up the calores in one LRP meal and compare that to how many food bars you have to consume to replenish what you used in a day, and just to get you on track, one LRP meal contains enough calories for an avg male to patrol all day, so 6000+
I agree, I keep an empty nalgene bottle in each of the survival kits as well as the 72 hour bag. I actually keep water in the nalgene bottles that are my in the pack that I refer to as my "Rescue Pack." I change the water out often.Quote:
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Some military redundancy rules are hard to break for me. I have my filter and water purification tablets.Quote:
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I got out of the Army in 2008 and don't recall LRP meals. What are they?
It might be worth throwing an extra, light weight sleeping bag in your kit. They come in handy.