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One of the disappearing threads last week was one about Aim Surplus (www.aimsurplus.com ) having good deals on surplus South African .308 ($160/980 rounds, battle packs) and Guatemalan surplus .223 ($244/1440 rounds battlepacks)
Arfcom says the Guatemalan is top notch
we bought some
I think we're ready
http://www.pcisys.net/~bdhopkins/guns/stackofammo.jpg
Now That's Alot Of Bullets!!!!! :cool:
The only reason your UPS driver isn't goign to murder you in your sleep is that he knows what the ORM-D sticker means.
gonna have to get some of that .223 next pay day!
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Originally Posted by PsychoI3oy
[roll] But he was prolly cursing with every step.
Speaking of ammo supplies...
I just read an interesting SHTF account from argentina.
The guy was saying rifles are nice, but pistol is what you end up carrying 90% of the time.
He also said having rifle and pistol that use the same ammo is a good thing.
So.... Has anyone shot the little AR pistols? How do they handle, recoil, etc?
2C [pirate]
Where's the "D" man when you have serious questions that need answered? :twisted:
AR pistols jam allot.... at least all the ones that i've fired.... i think it has to do with the short barrel which equals shorter distance to the gas tube...
Correct me if i'm wrong but thats my best guess.
All i know is i wouldnt trust my life to an AR pistol stick with a glock or somthin :)
BTW why are you paying sooooo much for ammo when you could get 1000 wolf rounds for 100$ plus shipping????
They work very well....
Not too bright are you Delphi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Delphi
let's see, from ar15.com ammo section, prices updated today:
WOLF M193
DEALER NET SHIPPING TOTAL
Ammoman $238.00 $00.00 $238.00
AmmunitionStore 209.95 18.00 227.95 OUT OF STOCK
Armory 189.99 17.00 206.99
Outdoor Marksman 200.00 21.40 221.40
Sportsman's Guide 199.97 17.99 217.96
and what i bought is
$246.60/1440 (=$171.25/1000) + shipping which was about $21 for me
so that's like $191 a 1000
hmmm, cheaper and better
yep, I guess you better go buy some Wolf.
of course, you're screwed because to get ammo shipped from Aim Surplus you have to be 21.
Sorry, 7 more years.
I believe he was refferring to this Wolf (from AR15.com today) it is out of stock in most places though.
WOLF (Russia) .223 FMJ, Copper Jacket, Steel Case, 55gr / 62gr
DEALER NET SHIPPING TOTAL NOTES WEB SITE
---------------- ------- ------ ------- ---------------- --------------
Ammoman $159.00 00.00 159.00 OUT OF STOCK Ammoman
AmmunitionStore 127.95 18.00 145.95 OUT OF STOCK AmmunitionStore
Armory 119.99 17.00 136.99 OUT - 55gr Armory
Cabela's 144.99 18.75 163.74 OUT - 62gr Cabela's
Centerfire Systems 144.16 18.95 163.11 OUT - 62gr Centerfire Systems
Cheaper Than Dirt 169.94 15.59 185.53 Cheaper Than Dirt
Midway USA 117.99 15.32 133.31 Midway USA
Outdoor Marksman 124.50 16.12 140.62 OUT - 62gr Outdoor Marksman
Sportsman's Guide 129.97 15.99 145.96 OUT OF STOCK
Roman Nome would probably be a good one to ask about AR Pistols.
All I know is there fun I want one or ten :twisted:
They don't jam
First off how about you get your facts straight?.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnTRourke
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=153249 129 + 15.99 shipping that ='s 144.99 for 1000 rds of new ammo
would be at your house June 30
Cabela’s same price plus I have a 10 dollar coupon that can be used over and over again that I would give you guys.
http://www.classicarms.us/ 1000 rds for 115$ scroll about half way down and give the guy a call he's a good man.
Also if I needed my dad could buy from aim surplus for me, but I don’t need him to since they are overpriced, you can get stuff way cheaper from all those guys. Oh and it's not 7 years till I’m 21 only about 2. So JohnTRourke instead of trying to slam on me how about you try and listen sometimes and maybe save some money next time you want to buy ammo? And Guatemalan ammo is neither cheaper nor better, its old military surplus, wolf is quality brand new ammunition, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it outperforms that old dusty Guatemalan stuff. Everyone I have ever spoken to is quite impressed with the amount of quality you get for cheap wolf ammo. So next time before you try and rip on me get your facts straight. Or maybe even try to be a friend and take tips when I give them or politely correct me if I’m wrong. I’m all for constructive criticism, if you don’t try to insult me while “correcting” me. I just wanted to save you and everyone else that needs .223 some cash next time they need ammo… oh well.
Instead of paying $1220 for 7200 rds of Guatemalan you could get 8000 rnds of wolf for $1032 or if you wanted around 9500 rnds for the same price you payed for 7200 rnds.
dude (delphi) quit while you can maybe break even.
Wolf ammo is not the savior you and your airsoft friends make it out to be.
you get what you pay for. do a little reading:
http://www.ammo-oracle.com/
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=278723&page=1
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=169729
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=273976
http://www.aaconsult.com/ammoreview/...3_reviews.html
You want Brian to get his facts straight and you claim $100 only to quote prices $15-$50 higher....what are we teaching our children these days...not math evidently.
Actually the Guatemalan stuff is pretty good as long as you don't get one of the open, corroded packages. Even the corroded stuff works it is just not nice to look at.
It is loaded hot and while it is not target ammo it goes bang when it is supposed to.Not the best for low-light shooting...I hear it can be pretty bright with no FH
Sportsmansguide is backordered....don't get me started on how long it can take to actually get what you ordered....if you ever do
Same with Cabela's...they will take orders for stuff they will NEVER have
Classic Arms is a great shop....but they don't always update their website in a timely fashion and that is listed as a March sale....and dude...it is June now :-)
(Maybe you should ask your dad to buy you a power rangers calendar)
Wolf is cheap, dirty, and hard on western built firearms. The steel cases are hell on AR extractors...buy spares if you are going to shoot a lot of wolf
I use it in my AK's...but they were designed and built for crappy ammo.
Nice stack Brian!
Also...the better AR pistols use a op-rod rather than Direct Gas Impingement
So they tend to be pretty reliable...and the muzzle flash can be impressive
I have toyed with the idea of getting a Kel-Tec and putting a Noveske brake on it...just because I can
If I don't like it I can always sell it to Brian :-)
( I break in all his new guns)
Maybe Delphi's problem was his (Wolf) ammo :-)
pwnd
LMAO @ UPS drivers, my usual driver just gives me the look.He told my Wife once that he almost has his 30 in, so if I could just wait a little longer to order- :mrgreen:
2C, I recently built a couple of AR-pistols.I think they are pretty sweet shooters-YMMV
The only problem I`ve had is after 5 or 6 mags they get too damn hot to hold, WTH is that all about? :P
You can try `em at a South shoot and make your own opinion if you want.
I think I,ll step in on Delphi's side this time. Wolf is all I shoot thru my F/A guns. I have not had any problems with it. I will start buying Wolf .308 when the South African stuff starts drying up. As far as availability goes, I have always bought at the gun shows, but bulk ammo (of ANY make) seems to be getting hard to get around here so I may start buying online. FWIW, I think good ammo-bad ammo debates are stupid. Factory ammo all has to meet the same SAAMI specs, however, you are definetly on your own when it comes to ammo from "Bob-The home reloader".
is it reasonable to assume that you're not really concerned with the accuracy or terminal balistics of the ammo you are running through your FA firearms?
Yes, It is reasonable to assume that. However, most of the guns I have seen at the COAR shoots are of a military nature, so I see no need to load them up with high budget ammo. I shoot Federal Gold Medal Match thru my Rem. 700 sniper rifle, but you won,t see me loading up the SOCOM 16 with it. Wolf will do fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7idl
Ask some of the guys that have blown primers or burst cases whether cheap ammo is worth it...or shoot the cheap stuff in low light conditions where you really need your night vision.
For the record....Delphi made it pretty clear he thought there was no reason to pay (a little) more for something other than wolf
The rest of us are simply pointing out some of the reasons that cheapest is seldom best
Like I said....I shoot a lot of Wolf...along with a lot of everything else
But I don't fool myself into thinking it is just as good as (insert favorite ammo here)
I shoot a lot of WWBOX 9mm and 45...but I wouldn't use it for carry ammo
I shoot wolf out of my AR all the problems have been fixed. The problems were in two things with my AR. The dorks that made it put an M16 firing pin inside of it, which was slightly larger than the AR-15 one (from what my gunsmith told me) and that helped cause jams as well as the mags were no good. So I fixed those two things, and have been shooting wolf ever since. It hasn’t jammed up at all, and I get really good groupings at 300 yards with it. I get about 1.5-2.5" (my father can get a bit better with the same ammo) with the scope, and I don’t think that’s the ammos fault I think that’s mine, cause I’m not that great of a shot. The ammo has never failed me, and has always been just as accurate as its brass-cased friends. Or at least I’ve never been able to shoot better than the ammo can perform. :)
I have shot 2000 rnds through the gun and steel casings have not messed with it yet, but even if it does break the extractor it is still cheaper to buy wolf and replace an extractor every once in a while than to buy the expensive stuff, that in my opinion works just the same.
And I would never use wolf for carry ammo either, but its good practice stuff, good enough. There is no reason to pay extra money for "higher quality" ammo when your just shooting paper targets. I doubt I would use Guatemalan 1980's mfgr ammo for carry purposes either though. Than again if we were forced to carry AR's in civilian circumstances things would be pretty screwed up anyways.
(oh and you can still get it from classic arms for a 115$ even though its a march thing, the way he put it. If it's for that price on the site, he'll give it to you, and i bought the ammo for 100$ a while back, i guess the prices whent up, but 15$ is no biggie)
Delphi,
Let me just say this yes I shoot the hell out of wolf through my M16 and it is cheap ammo for a gun that is nothing but a toy.
However if you can't out shoot wolf ammo you have serious problems and probably could not hit the broad side of a barn. Most inconsistent ammo I have ever chronyed so far is wolf.
In all honesty I'm not that great of a shot with my AR, I havnt practiced enough yet. I havnt been in this hobby that long yet, and intend to get better. But at least I'm honest, I havnt yet been able to outshoot wolf. But I do know for practice it's good enough.
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Originally Posted by Delphi
what did you do with the 2k+ rounds you mentioned in an earlier post ?
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Originally Posted by Delphi
I dunno half of them are just for fun trying to hit stuff and the other half were me actually trying to get good groupings.
Maybee you guys can give me some pointers on how to shoot it well :)
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