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Now before everyone starts calling me panama red...I have a friend who is both an avid 2nd ammendment supporter but also has his medical marijuana card here in Colorado. He wanted to buy a new weapon the other day, but had heard some conflicting stories about the feds cross referencing that information etc...anyone know anything about this?
Where is the hippie emoticon with a doobie?
I have heard that you'll fail NCIC.
This has been brought up a few times on here, but we never get a solid answer. I seriously doubt the Fed's cross reference anything.
Yep thats what he heard as well, thanks for the input.
Whew, I thought I would be outkast as a hippie for sure. [Help]Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Ya, I don't know what to tell him...I guess for safety and privacy concerns he could just buy private party. I told him I find it hard to believe they are going to cross reference that or come back later and say something as he heard from another source.
According to the 4473, question 11e, he would have to answer "yes" as Fed govt sill considers MMJ an illegal substance. If he answered "no," he could be convicted of perjury (felony). How would anyone know? If when the gun shop closed & turned their records in to ATF & shows he purchased a firearm on day/month/year and had a MMJ card prior to that date, it's a slam dunk conviction for them. I have asked CBI about this situitation (ATF just refers you to CBI as they do the bg check) and they do not have a database of MMJ card holders, yet. Future plans of this were implied, making MMJ card holders prohibited from purchasing a new firearm.
Your friend is also prohibited from being in posession of a firearm while medicated, according to CRS. This time frame is questionable as it depends on what test is used. Either way, meds=no guns. pick one.
wow the demographics have changed, dope smokers, video gamers, wow.
I'd agree with this statement, but remember that CBI does background checks here in Colorado... the could check the Fed NCIC database, but they could check State databases as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I've also heard rumor that it will get you denied, but no 1st hand experience (nor 2nd or 3rd either, for that matter)
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Originally Posted by coloccw
I wouldn't do it.
Thanks Colo, great info. Appreciate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
This wasn't the intent of the thread. People have smoked dope long before this thread and always will. My buddy had a broken back and many complications afterwards. He refuses to take painkillers like the oxycontin they prescribed him, because he lost a family member to it. So lets not go there and say 'oh dope smokers', is he less than the guy who is hooked on 'legal prescription heroin'? Hatin on video gamers too? Keeps me out of the bars...Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
Surprise surprise, generations get older...Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
People from all walks of life, appreciating and embracing their rights, is how it's supposed to be.
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Originally Posted by Irving
i wasnt condeming you hippy gamers. i just didnt realize so many dope smokers were gun owners. and i thought kids grew out of games when they got to be adults. i have never played any of those games. although i did buy a wii for when my oldest daughter comes over. all we have is wii sports. and it sits idle about 340 days a year. i cant get into it. it never occured to me to play violent role playing games. all i was saying is it used to be guys who owned guns, hunted, fished, mowed their lawns, worked on their American made cars. now back to your mari juana conversation.
and i dont think its about age. i am not that old. maybe being raised with guns since birth, I didnt go down the dope smoking road, and like outside stuff generally more than tv or games.
I was wondering if you've ever played a violent first person shooter game. You'd probably enjoy it.
i dont watch any violent tv or movies. or anything even sad. only funny happy stuff. i wouldnt sleep if I did.
That's interesting. Don't watch Saving Private Ryan then.
and I agree with you. it takes all kinds of people to make up the planet...
i have to remember, i am a libertarian and not a conservative anymore.
i have never seen a horror movie, hate sci fi, only seen a few action movies. i do watch old 30-40s westerns. chick flicks, comedies. i dont want to be sad.
im sorry for derailing your thread.
bottom line. unless you lie on the 4473, you are not supposed to buy guns and have mj. will you get caught? doubtfull.
I use these to keep from getting sad...Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/a...KittyRifle.jpg
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/a...w/hk-saw-1.jpg
not picking on you HBAR, but couldn't resist this one. Seriously, I probally would but these for the wife.
hey that made me smile. maybe thats whats missing in my life. my stupid stihl chainsaws arent festive enough. and all my ARs are tan or black. i need more pink, i guess.
True HBAR, just different generations I guess. I mowed my lawn last night, I caught a few trout a couple weeks ago at Stanley, I have never hunted, I grew up with guns as well, but I do play video games also.
I didn't grow up with guns, love SciFi, play video games, don't smoke MJ. Played paintball up until I graduated high school. Guns are kind of a new thing for me. Everybody's different. I think its a good thing that more types of people own firearms, because that will break stereotypes and all Americans will win out in the end.
Do I agree that if you smoke MJ you shouldn't own guns? No, because I'd think if you drank alcohol you shouldn't own guns either going on the same standard.
Do I think you should lie on your 4473? No, its not worth it, especially if you're in a MMJ database.
Well said Deus...Quote:
Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
In conclusion, I could have answered my own question if I had the 4473 in front of me. I should have remembered since I just bought my AR. That question clearly states such. Thanks for the discussion.
It is kind of confusing, because it asks if you are an illegal user of Marijuana. Some people look at it and say, "No, I'm a registered medical marijuana user." but don't realize that is only for the state of CO, it is still illegal federally (which is who that form is for).
I think that question is a CYA question to help protect the dealers, manufacturers, and perhaps even the government. I really doubt that anyone actively looks at those questions and goes out of their way to make sure what you put down is true.
marijuana is still illegal under federal law. it is legal in CO, yes, but if obama hadn't told the feds to take a rest on the MMJ type stuff, you would see a lot of people with cards getting in trouble.
I could care less about weed. I don't smoke it, never have and probably never will. But for the people that want to, I think they should.
I am to the point I am tired of .gov control on the fed and state level, but especially on the fed level. if you don't like a states laws, you can move, but the fed covers them all and I frankly hate being told what I can and can't do when it isn't hurting anyone else. like the seatbelt law. not hurting anyone but myself if I don't wear it. for those who are in rescue and firefighting and want to complain about my mangled body...get another job because you chose the job and knew what it entailed.
as to you buddy, he needs to answer the form correctly and honestly, if the atf checked it, cross referenced his MMJ card and found out he lied...felony and no more guns for life plus fines and probably prison time.
Kind of the lesser of 2 evils in that situation.
This is a fun topic. Actually, I think it is kinda stupid. As stated previously, if you shouldn't be able to buy because you smoke marajuana, you shouldn't be able to buy if you drink either. Which effects you more, smoking, or drinking? The only reason why one is legal and the other isn't is just politics way back when. Alcohol is also a drug if you look up the definition of a drug. The same rules that apply to alcohol should apply to mj IMO. Should the guy lie on the paper? Nope, why put yourself in that position? Just think if he is high, and gets pulled over, or anything that brings the cops to him while he is in possession of a gun. He would be in deep shit because they would look up his last purchase, find out he lied on his paperwork, and then he would be screwed. Just not worth it to break the law.
Why would the police look up his last gun purchase if he gets pulled over while high?
Agreed on the alcohol thing; it's a lot more destructive of a drug that pot to your body, your inhibitions and judgement, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyder
While I don't smoke it, and it's been years and years since I have, it should be legal IMO.
Back to what people were posting about, I guess I'm one of those "newer" types of gun people. I'm a libertarian, sleeved with tattoos, play video games, raised with guns, etc
If you are high, and have a gun in your possession, you're in trouble. Then it is right on down the line of questions and shit. They will find out you have a card either because you tell them thinking it will help your case, or because they search your shit and find out. Then they look up your history and find out you recently purchased a gun having your mmj, then they find out you lied on your paperwork (of course this is all if the cops do their job I guess) and you now have a felony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Do you have first hand experience with that? A police officer would never bother to do all that unless you are a known gang member and they want you in jail. Right now, if you get pulled over and have weed in your car, they take your weed and give you a ticket with a small fine. Before the dispensaries were legal, police would just take your weed and let you go.
Strange, because I've been on 4 different meds for what the VA considers "Moderate to moderately severe PTSD" and none of them really control my sudden anxiety that comes and goes from time to time... however, since I have a friend who supplies dispensaries (please don't judge) he told me that studies show cannabis to be one of the more effective medical treatments for PTSD sufferers. I've smoke in my youth and some recently- without a card- and for that very reason I've considered getting my card, but still discouraged because it could hurt chances of buying firearms. I'm kinda at a loss as to what to do here... smoke illegally and be able to buy guns, but be breaking the law (state, not just federal) or get my card and take my chances?
That is quite the conundrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
If it were me, and MJ helped while the different meds did not (or had awful side effects, or messed me up more) I'd have some options:
1) Continue acquiring MJ illegally, because small amounts is mostly decriminalized (don't quote me on this) and have a small chance of being caught/charged. Also, on this level it would only be a misdemeanor which wouldn't prevent me from possessing guns.
2) Get MMJ card and not buy another new gun until something changes at the federal level.
I'm pretty sure lying on the form is a felony, so I'd rather take a risk of misdemeanor rather than a "risk" of felony. I say "risk" because all it would take is someone comparing two lists to throw up flags.
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That sounds to me like the best route, but I can't deal with some of the strains out there that get you that "lazy hippie" high, I would prefer to only use Sativa blends- they give you the "I can smoke but still be functional and alert" high. Problem with that is that it's hard to pick and choose when it comes to acquiring it outside of caregivers and dispensaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
Yeah, I don't know anything about that but I get what you're saying. I can imagine that getting quality stuff would be harder when you're going around the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
My wife was in this same situation. She has had terrible stomach pains for years and with her anxiety levels up, she became a walking zombie with all her meds. She tried pot and her life drastically changed, for the better. Her anxiety was way down and her stomach issues almost gone. Don't worry about people judging you, they always will but remember one thing, if it works for you, then who cares!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
i agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by opie011
do you guys smoke? or use it for baking? i see they have cannabis lozenges, chews, butter. seems a better way than inhaling smoke.
school me.
Thanks for the support and similar issue- and it's not like I use it to just get high and be a druggie, I actually use it for medical purpose... I just wish we could tell the fed that... it works, it's safe (since the beginning of recorded medical history not 1 person has ever died from overdose on THC), and besides smoking/ingesting it's a great crop for making rope, roofing, paper (uses 1/3 of what it takes to make paper from trees), clothing, and a boat load of other stuff and is cost effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by opie011
She just smokes it. I'm no expert so I can't school you on the subject. I've heard that "edibles" effect last longer so she hasn't tried that!Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
Same here, she's no dope head. Medical purposes only. She really didn't want to go this route but, after years of different meds and specialists, it seemed to be the best move!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13