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06-07-2011, 10:59
Ronin13

...without looking paranoid

Question for some of the more seasoned folks on here, how do I plan and prepare for worst case scenario (such as stocking up a store room with food, water, excess "camping" gear and ammo) without looking like a paranoid survivalist nut? A friend of a friend has a little room in his crawlspace stocked to the gills with boxes upon boxes of long-lasting food stuffs, bottled water, and various "hold-out" boxes of ammo. Me and a couple of guys were shown this a few weeks ago and automatically everyone thought this guy was crazy- except me, I thought Well, he's prepared, and I'll be if SHTF he won't be going crazy trying to survive.
06-07-2011, 11:26
DFBrews

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Question for some of the more seasoned folks on here, how do I plan and prepare for worst case scenario (such as stocking up a store room with food, water, excess "camping" gear and ammo) without looking like a paranoid survivalist nut? A friend of a friend has a little room in his crawlspace stocked to the gills with boxes upon boxes of long-lasting food stuffs, bottled water, and various "hold-out" boxes of ammo. Me and a couple of guys were shown this a few weeks ago and automatically everyone thought this guy was crazy- except me, I thought Well, he's prepared, and I'll be if SHTF he won't be going crazy trying to survive.

That guy is doing it wrong. You only show your preps to people you would trust your life to.
06-07-2011, 12:32
bobbyfairbanks

Go to Costco and buy a bunch of rice and canned foods.
06-07-2011, 13:29
StagLefty

Just stock up as you go-you'll be surprised how fast items pile up.
When King Soopers had a recent sale on canned veggies I stocked up on what we eat (don't buy what you don't usually eat) at .50 a can.,2 for 1 sales, Mgrs. specials on meat etc. vac seal and freeze. I spent a lot of years camping and hunting so I have a good source of stoves,lights etc. Just stock up on fuels.
It's a lot easier than folks make it-Good Luck [Beer]
06-07-2011, 13:31
Big Wall

It's called OPSEC. No one should know you are prepared or they will end up on your doorstep.
06-07-2011, 13:40
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by Big Wall

It's called OPSEC. No one should know you are prepared or they will end up on your doorstep.

That's kinda where I was leading with that... he isn't the brightest bulb in the shed, but he does mean well. I still have some left over MREs I have in dry storage, and I keep a few Ranger Bars on hand- but for the most part I need to renew my COSTCO membership and keep a couple weeks or months supply on hand.
Stag, good freaking point! I know what I like and eat regularly, and read about it in books, or see it in movies, people grabbing up everything on the shelf. Never once do they mention food allergies or 'holy cow this tastes horrid.' I claim I'm allergic to fish, but in reality I just can't stomach it, I find it the most horrible tasting food on earth. If the elk population were to die of when SHTF, then I'm screwed.
06-07-2011, 15:43
StagLefty

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Originally Posted by Big Wall

It's called OPSEC. No one should know you are prepared or they will end up on your doorstep.

I mistakenly tried to educate a neighbor last year about prepping. He says to me after I told him how relatively easy it was that "he knew where to go when SHTF". I then informed him he would die in the driveway if he was empty handed. Some people just aren't worth the air. [Beer]
06-07-2011, 15:45
jerrymrc

The short term (so to speak) canned goods should always be bought on sale. You should always check exp dates and get the longest you can. Many items have dates 2-3 years out. You buy, rotate and use.

Some of the shorter items we keep like instant mashed potatoes and the pasta/rice sides dates are 18 months. We keep like 20 mashed potatoes and 30 rice/pasta sides on hand and use within 6mo of expiring. They make it cheap and easy to prepare short term.

Tuna is 3 years out date wise and has been on sale a few times in the last couple of months for 50 cents a can. I keep a cushion of 40-50 on hand.

Some of the canned products like stews and thick soups can be a large meal for two with just the addition of a couple of cups of cooked rice to put it on. Same way for pasta and canned ravioli.

Some of the camping gear/stuff. I keep a couple of boxes. One has all those stupid items like the hanging shower, the grommet kit, the sewing kit, the soap, toothpaste, lantern mantles. pump kits, rechargeable batteries and solar charger, all kinds of crap that I would not need unless needed. I tape up the box and print a list out and tape it on top.

I do mylar food the same way. Box#1. I have a master list with everything that is in the box and the date packed. If done right all someone would see besides a well stocked pantry is numbered boxes on the shelf. One does not have to write "Zombie Apocalypse" or TEOTWAWKI on the side. [Coffee]
06-07-2011, 16:41
funkfool

Are you saying I'm paranoid... is that what you're saying?
'Cause I know that you're thinking I'm paranoid....

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_q0r1G8XX46...t+paranoia.jpg
http://chezjacq.com/weblog/images/Rugstore09-03-05.jpg

[Beer][ROFL1]
I am working on getting 55 gal drums of water in my shed at home and the cabin...

I'm with Jer... bag it / box it / tag it... then keep using/rotating it...
(Except I label EVERYTHING as "Zombie Apocalypse Supplies") [LOL]
06-07-2011, 16:55
Wulf202

I gave up my costco membership.

Their prices aren't that great to begin with. I just wait for a good sale at the grocery store and end up cheaper than the bulk stores. They may look at me funny buying a cart full of tomato sauce but I just don't care. Often you can get to the cardboard sleeves of the food by pushing the ones in front to the side. As Jerry described, you wind up saving alot of money if you can afford to buy a years worth of an item when it's on a great sale then rotate it.

Cost savings alone is good enough reason to have a big pantry. Start watching those coupon queen shows I hear all about and learn how they do it.

Asain markets are the best place to get cheap rice. There's a nice one in Broomfeild and one one parker rd.

Opsec is important, only a handful of people have seen all my preps. Though I put myself in the lime light with the survival co-op and such.
06-07-2011, 17:52
Mtn.man

Yeah buy asian, they use all kinds of shit in there goods to make it grow faster, last longer and kill you quicker.

So you survive with some sort of disease that is killing you anyway DUH.
06-08-2011, 00:52
rocktot

Look online for 'freeze dried food' Mountain House. There is a guy, Feinee or something that sells it in Denver area, but hes out till August.

You can get samples of this food which will last for up to 20 years. Try before you buy.

Look up mylar bags on Survival forum. Beans and rice are the general staples, cheap, stores for 20 years, downside is long cooking time so you might need a pressure cooker which cuts cooking time by 2/3. Also, try the rice and beans so you know what you are getting. Bland food and lots of gas...[Stooge] Red (Kidney) beans need to be cooked some beans are poisonous if not cooked properly so you need to look that up also. So you need lots of salt or garlic salt, etc. Water storage is tricky, water can go bad in a few months, so you need to look into adding bleach, etc, and marking and rotating.
Nothing is easy. Mountain House is about $4-6 for one, which could be split, but good food is a psychological plus, so the cost could be worth it, even if you only eat one every 3 days or so.

Also, what do you do for bubonic plague?- because I can see alot of squirrels, and other varmint being added to the protein menu, but you need to handle as hazardous materials, so as not to get fleas. That is not well discussed.[NoEvil] Rabbits can get it, prairie squirrels,etc.
06-08-2011, 03:34
funkymonkey1111

costco also sells mountain house stuff.
06-08-2011, 15:51
Rooskibar03

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Originally Posted by funkymonkey1111

costco also sells mountain house stuff.

The Costco MH box is a 10 package of the double entree (20 servings) for 39.99. $4 each is better the 6-8 @ REI.

If I know I've got the funds I grab one every other visit. So far I've got 5 of them. My goal is a solid month worth of them for the 3 of us. I figure 1-2 per day per person is more then enough "comfort" food to subliment the basics that make up the rest of my storage.
06-13-2011, 18:21
jerrymrc

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Originally Posted by Rooskibar03

The Costco MH box is a 10 package of the double entree (20 servings) for 39.99. $4 each is better the 6-8 @ REI.

If I know I've got the funds I grab one every other visit. So far I've got 5 of them. My goal is a solid month worth of them for the 3 of us. I figure 1-2 per day per person is more then enough "comfort" food to subliment the basics that make up the rest of my storage.

One thing to make note of is while the #10 cans have a 15-20 year life there pouches are about 5-7 years as I remember. Just be sure to check the dates.

I know there is a high turnover but it would blow to buy something that the clock is 1/2 gone on. Just a thought. I check dates on everything I buy.[Coffee]
06-14-2011, 11:33
Mtn.man

Who don't look paranoid these days,,, LOL
06-14-2011, 14:37
Zundfolge

I have a few boxes of Ramen just in case ... but honestly if things get real bad I have plenty of unarmed hippies living in my neighborhood so I'll always have plenty of food and labor.
06-14-2011, 14:51
Mtn.man

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

I have a few boxes of Ramen just in case ... but honestly if things get real bad I have plenty of unarmed hippies living in my neighborhood so I'll always have plenty of food and labor.

Since when does a hippy have any food and Labor? get real work is not in their vocab.[ROFL1]

But you may be able to eat them if it gets real bad.
06-14-2011, 16:00
DFBrews

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Originally Posted by Mtn.man

Since when does a hippy have any food and Labor? get real work is not in their vocab.[ROFL1]

But you may be able to eat them if it gets real bad.

Yes I will have the filet of hippy meduim well a with good robust merlot.
06-14-2011, 16:27
Mtn.man

I think they are more like oppposum you are gonna have to soak em in vinegar, then water then marinate real good to make em palatable.
06-14-2011, 16:28
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

I have a few boxes of Ramen just in case ... but honestly if things get real bad I have plenty of unarmed hippies living in my neighborhood so I'll always have plenty of food and labor.

Eeew soy! No thank you.... Oh are we talking about cannibalism? Not to detract from the humor, but human flesh can contain Prion Disease and you also run the risk of Kuru (Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease) or Wendigo diseases that are much like Mad Cow (I guess the term could be Mad Human Disease?) and make you go insane then die. It's not a guarantee that you'll go insane, but the disease is most common in the brain, marrow, and small intestine. Cannibalism has been practiced for a long time, especially in the south west Pacific and New Guinea. Cook the meat thoroughly and you should be ok, just stay away from the brains and small intestine (which is just gross because of the risk of poop).
06-14-2011, 16:30
DFBrews

But brains and scrambled eggs make a great breakfast
06-14-2011, 17:00
Zundfolge

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

...human flesh can contain Prion Disease and you also run the risk of Kuru (Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease) or Wendigo diseases that are much like Mad Cow (I guess the term could be Mad Human Disease?)...

Well I hadn't planned on eating the hippies, just taking anything they have of value and forcing them to work in my fields.

Some of y'all have me worried. [Eek3]
06-15-2011, 12:02
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Well I hadn't planned on eating the hippies, just taking anything they have of value and forcing them to work in my fields.

Some of y'all have me worried. [Eek3]

Ah, so basically what you're saying is that hippies will become the new Mexic- I mean migrant workers- when the SHTF? Both have doubtful work ethic but at least the hippies will understand what you're saying.
06-15-2011, 20:14
Clint45

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Eeew soy! No thank you.... Oh are we talking about cannibalism? Not to detract from the humor, but human flesh can contain Prion Disease and you also run the risk of Kuru (Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease) or Wendigo diseases that are much like Mad Cow

Well, you have a far greater risk of getting prions from elk than hippys, and Wendigo is a rare form of psychosis which is cultural rather than prion based.

Just grill it outside and use plenty of hot sauce and you'll be fine.
06-16-2011, 10:27
Ronin13

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Originally Posted by Clint45

Well, you have a far greater risk of getting prions from elk than hippys, and Wendigo is a rare form of psychosis which is cultural rather than prion based.

Just grill it outside and use plenty of hot sauce and you'll be fine.

Hot sauce eh?
Like this:
http://www.chilefoundry.co.uk/2010/0...ny-naga-viper/
The pepper itself is rated at 1.38M SHU (Scoville Heat Units), for reference Tobasco Sauce is, at the hottest, 5,000 SHU.