Long-Range Pistol Shooting: Find the Right Sight Alignment
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In order to defend myself I knew I'd have to be able to shoot a pistol somewhat accurately at long distances...out to 700 yards.
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Long-Range Pistol Shooting: Find the Right Sight Alignment
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In order to defend myself I knew I'd have to be able to shoot a pistol somewhat accurately at long distances...out to 700 yards.
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Here's the problem:
he does state that his point is to be accurate enough to convince them to stop shooting at him... I'm dubious that will work, and why use a standard length Glock 19?Quote:
However, due to the contract we were working under, we were only authorized to carry handguns for self defense. Rifles were strictly prohibited.
if those were the constraints (he's a trainer, not a combatant), I'd take a high-power (10mm, 38 Super?) long-barreled pistol... you need all the velocity you can get.
or a revolver in a high-power caliber with good longer-range ballistics (.357 Mag, .44 Mag?) he does mention the FN57... could be a decent choice for long range.
as an interesting sidebar on sighting your G19 to 700 yards, it's not bad- as tactical information, I believe it's dubious at best... if they have rifles, they're going to be more accurate and deadly than you at any range- I guess if they start shooting at you, what's your options? just take cover & call for backup that's actually armed for the task?
I'm sorry but there's no such thing as "defensive" shooting at 700 yards, even with a rifle.
In all seriousness, if they thought they'd need to reach out to 200-300 yards every once in a great while with a handgun, a scoped .44mag revolver would be just fine.
Otherwise all their "self defense" shooting will be under 100 yards, which is workable (but not ideal) with a 9mm.
I'm with 68Charger here ... a Glock 20 or Witness 10mm Hunter well tuned and with high quality, fiber optic sights would be my carry gun of choice in such an environment.
Cody is the real deal and one of the best shooter's I know. I trust his advice more than most.
Depends where your at... at top of 400ft TV tower with sniper rifle and you see AT missile pointed at that tower @700 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Not very much fun but couple of seconds intense action...
here's a better article--
http://www.fiveshot.org/guests/longrange.htm
I've recently measured the sight radius from rear sight to the rear of the front sight on my Ruger Target 22. We'll see if i can make 1st shots using a ballistics programs calcs relative to the MOA calcs of the scribed lines on my front sight at 200 yds. (each of the 3 "units" is ~25 MOA from rear sight...according to my calcs.)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/IMG_1212.jpg
If I needed a hide it would be someplace with a pretty simple egress route. Not the top of a 400' tower that would take me probably 10 - 20 mins to climb down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannu
I can't imagine a scenario where a sniper would want to be in that position for a lot of reasons.
I see no practicality here. The front sight will totally obscure the target (and a large area around it) at far less than 700 yards. Don't know how you would actually hit anything, except by pure luck.
I've shot pretty much every handgun I have at 100 yds...maybe a little further. With a few "sight in" rounds I can get minute of torso pretty easy.
Don't know that I'd care to waste ammo, though, at 100 yds if I was in a defensive situation unless it was absolutely necessary. 700 yds? Definitely not. Personally I'd be looking for an escape route. The average bad guy...hell, even the above average bad guy, isn't going to be able to put shots on a moving target (yes, I'd be moving) at 700 yds even with a rifle.
I'd want to be pretty sure of hits before I started firing back as it's likely ammo supply would be a consideration.
We have a member at the BLGC range that specializes in long distance shooting of pistols, 1911s shooting factory 230gr ball ammo. He's put 4 out of 6 hits on an 8 inch plate at 400 yds with his pistol, with witnesses. His pistols are custom made, he makes them, and his front sight is made with yardage indicator lines on it. Its the way he sights it in and then calculates the yardage from there that's key to using his sight system. The sights are slightly higher than normal competition sights, but not very much. It IS a science to do this type of shooting; it's physics (bsllistics) combined with trigonometry, experimentation, and practice.
Banks, if Cody wants his contact info send me a PM and I can get it for you.
On a side note, what a horrible contract. Pistols only in a hot zone? Sounds like something simply not worth it.
Cody is good people. One of the few that actually has been "there".....
Good article, never know when that info could be put into use.
I've had hits with a G21 at 300, witnessed...
Repeatable? on a good day maybe....it's a tough shot.
hits at 200, absolutely with a G19, G21
100, easy. 10/10 on a steel IPSC. With a G34 its a cake walk.
For me it's the fun of applying math to long range shooting. I have a feeling that Cody just swagged the system, but it would (should) be possible to make 1st shots using the MOA system that i mentioned before. Measure your sight radius and sight height, convert to MOA, run the ballistics program, calc. the holdover required and shoot. I.e, just like this (copied from Specialty Pistols website)--
Ok--started messing with some of this stuff recently, and it's become quite fascinating applying the math using it. Here's what i did. I measured the sight radius from rear sight to front face of the front sight of my Ruger Mk. III Tgt. pistol at exactly 7.9" with a caliper. Then i measured the length of the front sight at .25". So i figured it oughtta' be linear to any other range. I wanted to be able to match it to a ballistics programs MOA calcs. So i needed to find out what it would be at 100 yds. (3600 inches), so i set up aratio and proportion calc.-- .25/7.9 = x/3600, x= 114 inch per hundred yds./1.047 = 109 MOA or close enough to 100 MOA for iron sight purposes. So my gunsmith milled 3 horizontal lines below the top of the sight to ideally give me 4 25 MOA units to work with. But there's a problem with the sight. It ramps off at an angle right at the 75 MOA mark, so the sight picture makes it look longer than it is. Not a problem really as i don't anticipate shooting at anything further than 75 MOA anyways. That'd probably be beyond 400 yds. with a 22.--
Now the problem is, how to calculate the "little click" value as mentioned in Ed Woszika's article referenced in my 1st posting. The 2nd diagram below--
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ghtaltered.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...FrontSight.jpg
...there has to be some mathematical calc. here in this 2nd pic., but i can't null it out. I'm gonna figure it out though.
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns