Found this one surfing today. Looks like it hurt!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAx...layer_embedded
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Found this one surfing today. Looks like it hurt!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAx...layer_embedded
So the 45 doesnt really have stopping power he walked off screen!
But seriously man that would hurt!!! And a reminder to be safe when training at full speed/live fire.
Good for him. Up front, analyzed the deal and presented it to any viewer. I myself have worked that situation- as in close in to the target, elbow up, close quarters defensive combat drawstroke. The trainer I worked with, Andy Stanford- who teaches that particular technique, specifically nailed the Blackhawk Serpa holster that guy was using for his AD, as unsafe. The poster violated the secret ninja technique. Finger- finger- finger.
It was an (in and out) wound with a FMJ. If he was shooting a defense round Im sure the outcome would have been alot different.Quote:
Originally Posted by trlcavscout
Right. I was considering one of those thumb-lock type holsters for my 1911. I've never handled one, or had any of my 1911s in one of them, but having the holster-release and the thumb safety that close together doesn't sound like a very good combination. I think I'm going to reconsider. I realize the "finger-finger-finger" thing and completely agree; I'm more concerned about the holster lock and the thumb safety interfering with each other.
Good on the guy who posted this.
Glad he's okQuote:
Originally Posted by sneakerd
Yup, the serpa encourages this problem. If I recall this guy has been through several training classes by legit instructors.
What can I say?? [ROFL1][LOL][ROFL3] Sorry I can't stop laughing!!!!!! [ROFL2]I'm glad he's alright but DAMN!! [ROFL1] I have to pee now!! [LOL]
I am getting a patent for Kevlar pants.
Your gonna look like sheep when ya get done. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
Ala Hopa long Cassidy.
one gun, one setup. If it's all the same all the time; makes muscle memory failure a lot harder. At least in a single range day. But NBC is the best rule
NEVER
BE
COMPLACENT
BANG
Gawd Damn it I just shot myself!
Ya that was a joke [Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by stenz
I have used the serpa's and thumb locks for Glocks. I prefer the serpa release, the safariland thumb lock rides better but is not as smooth or fast.
Good for him. Trigger finger seems to be a bad disease these days. Other day I was at the range, some ass clown was walking around at the ready with his finger on his AR. I had the gf with me and felt it was worth saying something to him. On my way to talk to him I was astonished to notice all the idiots who immediately put their fingers on the trigger as soon as they grab their weapons. Honestly I said something to the original guy then packed up and left. Hollywood, video games, or just jack assery has taught a lot of people a lot of bad habits. .02
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42220
REPEAT
DUPE
and the obligatory Remix
so what with the standing 1 foot from the target .it seems that if your that close to the target a punch or kick would be faster and more effective .
Nah- Mickey Rooney in Angora chaps!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
[ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL] damn bp you just made me spit coffee everywhereQuote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
Dumbass + crap holster + gun = entertaining clip.
Dumbass: it has nothing to do with the safety, and in fact in a self defense role a firearm is better off without one anyway, just don't stick your ass scratcher into the bang switch when its aimed at your leg (in other words, don't curl your finger into the trigger guard as you're drawing the gun out, as we can all clearly see you do).
Crap holster: The SERPAs suck, its a well known fact. They encourage stupid things like your finger slipping into the trigger guard. I know of more than a few schools that don't allow the students to use SERPA crap.
Gun: Don't play with dangerous things unless you know how to use them, or are far away from bystanders.
Wow, that's one of those times where you see the video and say "holy sh*t"! He's pretty lucky though, considering the angle of that shot he could have done some pretty major damage if it had gone in below the knee and come out of his foot, mangling everything else on the way down.
Poor trigger discipline combined with what appears to be a too light trigger contributed to this incident. The safety had little to do with it. At least he takes responsibility for his mistakes.
Thumb breaks, forefinger breaks, safety, no safety... if you have to spend that long explaining all the differences then you're doing something wrong. I have personally witnessed something VERY similar but on a reholster about 4' directly in front of me and slightly to the left so I had a front row seat. Guy was also shooting a 1911 and had a serpa holster. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. I personally use a Glock (no safety) and pressure retention holsters. There's nothing beyond basic movements to remember or train for. To me the fewer variables the less movements you need to practice and the less movements you have to concentrate on allowing you to focus on the fundamentals. Elbow up, elbow down, firm grip, pull straight up and clear holster and swing forward before moving trigger finger. The guy that ND'd himself in front of me as also a very experienced shooter, LEO, firearms instructor, range owner, etc. He also shot a variety of firearms back to back and this time it bit him. Sounds like some of the same attributes were included on this ND so parallels can be drawn. The guy that ND'd himself Immediately blamed it on a faulty holster. Standing in a perfect place to see exactly what happened though it was operator error as he never cleared his trigger finger so when he holstered the holster pressed his finger into the trigger. Now, while I wouldn't blame it on a faulty holster because that just shows an unwillingness to admit fault which allows for learning I would blame it on the complexity of the various shooting systems, retention systems & holsters being used. I think if one can pick a weapon system and holster they like the best (or are required to use) and train on them exclusively these exact type of ND's will be drastically reduced. It's nice to know how they all work and be proficient on all of them but I don't think it's as important as being as safe and proficient as possible with your primary carry/draw/competition platform. I can see wanting to know how different handguns fire in case you ever need to pick one up in a defensive situation but when are you going to quickly strap on someone else's holster and quick draw to defend? Not likely.
I'm just rambling now so if anyone can take anything useful away from what I just said then you're a patient human being. [ROFL2]
The ND I witnessed entered about the same place in the upper thigh. He was drop stepping to turn to shoot a slung rifle at 45deg so it exited at the same point in the thigh only more towards the back, directly behind the knee. It then re-entered his upper calf and traveled part way down there it lodged inside is calf and had to be removed at the ER for a total of THREE GSW's from a single ND. He was in joking spirits at the range but from the sounds of it the jokes subsided when the chemicals wore off on the trip to the hospital. Different angle or ammo and I'm sure the outcome in either situation could have been drastically different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger
Here's the pic of the end result of that one:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-G..._2330197_n.jpg
just wow...
This brings to mind all of the times when I practice with my defense ammo...
Something tells me that the above picture would be very different with a JHP with some very different final results.
Yeah, exactly. My buddy was just down in Texas last week with a cousin that was shot 11 times with a 9mm Tech-9 who survived. I can't think of two better examples of ball target ammo and how ineffective it is unless you hit a vital organ. FMJ FTW!Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
Unless you Unintentionally shoot yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
Then its FTL.
[ROFL1]
Of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
[ROFL3]
I JUST FU-CKING SHOT MYSELF.
Oh thanks. I wasn't sure.
First off byte that remix was funny as hell gj!
Second gun safty 101 dont put you damn finger on the trigger until your ready to shoot. Last but not least he was real lucky that his ass didnt hit that main artery and bleed out.
At least he shoot the guy who shoot him.
"Vengeance is mine!"Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperiorDG
Moron...f*cking moron. What part of the 4 firearm safety rules did he not understand? He should be banned from carrying a firearm without having on a bright yellow helmet as well. No excuse for a ND, none whatsoever. It doesn't matter what holster, gun, belt, underwear...follow the 4 rules.
[ROFL1]
Could it be considered a self defense shooting.
As long as it is in the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazin
its nice to see video of farva training at home....lol
on a side note all i run is serpa holsters havnt had a nd yet (we do alot of draw and fire)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazin
[ROFL1]
i still dont understand the standing so close to the target idea . can someone please enplane
Use weak hand to attack/deflect while drawing. Works better with live partners and airsoft guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by alxone
well in this case the paper threat kick his ass [ROFL1][ROFL2]Quote:
Originally Posted by mcantar18c
all smart ass aside thanks for the answer [Beer]
[ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by alxone
I don't know if that's what he's doing, but that's the only reason I'd be that close to a paper target.
shooter 0
paper 1
paper wins