http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-...motive-pending
Is the frequency of this type of thing going up or is it just being reported more?
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http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-...motive-pending
Is the frequency of this type of thing going up or is it just being reported more?
That's another infringement on people's rights to own firearms. How is it that LE agencies are getting away with this?
This is really disturbing.
kidicarus why do you hate the police?
Maybe they took him out on a date and never called back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Huh? How is this not felony larceny? [Rant1]Quote:
Originally Posted by Article
Hence the wonderful invention of a gunsafe... let them try- but the second I found they entered my home illegally without a warrant- BAM! Lawsuit and I'm going to be demanding some jobs be reallocated to more deserving candidates. I hate hearing about the bad cops all the time, but like I learned in broadcasting: If it bleeds, it leads!
So, as another thread pointed out, our government is working on job rights for ILLEGAL persons in the United States... but completely destroying the rights of law-abiding legal citizens?
SWEET...
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...plus a Thompson sub-machine gun
One of those two statements is inaccurate.Quote:
Once inside, they raided the gun rack, making off with 13 firearms worth around $15,000.
I'd say this whole thing falls into the "Looocy...you got some splainin' to do" category.
http://www.briankaneonline.com/images/the_ricardos.jpg
Yeah...makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, don't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by mevshooter
My guess is that the Thompson is a totally legal semiauto, and the reporter is either sensationalizing it, or a complete ignoramus, or both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Is my sarcasm meter broken, or do you think he actually does?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
If by warm and fuzzy you mean pissed of and heated... yes, yes it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I hate to jump the gun (no pun intended) too soon, but something doesn't sound right with that either.
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I am really hoping there is a court order so the police didn't act out of line, the courts did...furthermore I am really hoping that the person that her guns taken away is completely legal in every aspect. First so she can take legal action against the state and possibly go to the Supreme Court (eventually) and second I hope she is completely legal because of all the bad press gun owners always get...you know she will always be the crazy gun lady in her neighborhood now, no matter how right she is.
But seriously, this has got to stop. I would probably get fired for not carrying out what I believe is an illegal order (And by the way I don't have the full facts of why they were confiscated since I just read the article)
Turns out the guns are semi-autos according to some follow-up I've been doing on this.
There are some interesting court documents to be found re: this incident:
http://www.lovelakewood.com/pdf/law/110817_guns.pdf
Also, the story is alive and well on gun blogs and other places. PD screwed the pooch, I think.
2nd Amendment violation. Federal Court would hand her a $100,000...
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Well, I am glad to see she isn't taking their crap. Those guns all look good to me. Looks like a chief will soon be looking for a new job and the City of Lakewood will have to budget a payout to Francesca.
See, based on the guns that all appear to be legal and the fact that she isn't charged with anything other than some kind of suspicious activity, I don't think I could carry this out, I would get fired. I would rather get fired for not violating someone's Constitutional Rights than get fired for it. I think it would be a harder recovery if it was the other way around.
13 guns? Really? She's the least of the Govt worries.
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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
That's all she gets? I figured she would be set for life...looks like she will just have a really good savings account or start to her retirement fund.
Lol... Why would he have to hate the cops to report cops doing stupid things?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Exactly... I was at the point recently of starting to write down bumper numbers every time I saw a deputy up here doing something stupid/dangerous/illegal, but figured "fuck it", I didn't want them to start keeping their eyes peeled for me. Most of the time they behave, but once in a while one of them will do something that'll make me a little worried these are the guys entrusted with public safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad4000
Jeebus ... everyone have a broken sarcasm detector today? [Bang]
Lately when someone posts some news story about the bad behavior of the "boys in blue" someone else comes along and accuses the poster of "Cop Bashing".
I figured I'd head that off with some sarcasm.
I guess I shoulda used a [ROFL1]
(I was also thinking that kidicarus WAS a cop ... but maybe I'm wrong, sometimes I get different members confused with other members).
I sent you a PM too, but since others seemed to be confused I figured I'd clear it up here so it DIDN'T end up jacking the thread.
Again, these kind of threads tend to get somewhat heated and I was just hoping to add a bit of levity to it to prevent the inevitable lock for cop bashing.
As for the cops in question, every single one of them should be fired and the cop that gave the order jailed. Frankly it should be a jail-able offense for anyone in law enforcement to violate anyone's civil or property rights (there, back on topic).
See, I knew I shouldn't have turned it up to 11. Damn thing fried on me. [ROFL2]Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
It does seem that the police in this incident went to extraordinary lengths to tread on their genitalia...
I read the complaints, and if true, they'll be lucky to get off as cheaply as 100K.
That is actually very funny. I have to admit this is a weird one. If this went down just like the article says I do not understand why they just did not give them back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
After looking at the list there is nothing there that would warrant further study. Fully 50% of the members here have more/better items than that.
And of course the manager should have asked to see the warrant before unlocking the door. I see lawsuit #2 coming on that one. [Beer]
Yeah, the civil suit is where she'll make her money.
What's interesting to me is why she didn't have all those exotic weapons locked in a safe. Or did I miss something?
If true, I hope the lawsuit goes well, and the moral is: LOCK UP YOUR GUNS WELL!
The only way I can see for this to slow down or stop if every time it happens the police get the crap sued out of them! Then it would't be financially wise to confiscate guns illegally.
does every LEO in ohio have their heads up their asses?
This is a problem. Most people see the cops as "individuals in a position of trust." Kind of like teachers with our kids. But the problem is they are not held to the same standard. Teacher talks dirty to there student on Facebook they get 50 years. Cops violate one's constitutional rights they get reprimanded, take a little time off, or get fired. Person in a position of trust should be held to a much higher standard. If you or I would have done the same we would be behind bars.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrymrc
And it has to be personal too, not just the department getting sued.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cman
If you're going to violate the basic constitutional rights of American "civilians" and you think you can because you're "special" with your little badge, you need to be sued into oblivian and thrown into jail. Period.
"I vas just followink orders" was the most oft repeated phrase at Nuremberg ... it has no place with our police and it should not be accepted as an excuse any longer.
US CODE- TITLE 18-PART I-CHAPTER 13-ยง 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.WHY AREN'T MORE CROOKED COPS PROSECUTED UNDER THIS STATUTE?
I could post an article every single day about officers doing bad things. It would reflect poorly on my true personality though; and the police.
This is not just an example of a single officer doing something "wrong", this is about an entire dept. taking away an individual's right.
I know it is. I was just commenting on the cop hating.
there are a few things that could make me go on the warpath.
something like this might be one of them.
Holly shiite. Unbelievable.
Is this what our country will turn into? Some gov't employee doesn't like what you have so they take it and hide behind the judicial system.
This event has me really thinking. What makes a gun a different piece of property then lets say a TV. If the cops came in and took her TV then it would be seen as stealing by most. Guns, however, being that the they are an item that has been granted to us by the Constitution, and therefore possession of which is open to legal interpenetration and thus lives in a grey area are seen differently. Some in our society see guns not as property but as something else thus "allowing" the government to take said items. Is this a slippery slop? Will government one day see other items as they now see guns?
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Originally Posted by SuperiorDG
What legal interpretation is that? I'm pretty sure the whole thing has been settled by the Constitution, McDonald v Chicago and Heller v DC. I don't think it's being interpreted incorrectly by those that infringe on the 2A rights of citizens, it's just that, so far, they've been able to get away with it without much worry of any sort of consequences for their actions. They infringe upon our 2A rights because they don't like the 2A.
(I'm pretty sure you meant interpretation...but interpenetration does seem more like what's going on in terms of what the .gov is doing to citizens! I may have to steal that word and start using it more often.)
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