Ethical Hunting

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10-08-2006, 14:47
HunterCO

Ethical Hunting

I got my goat but....something that really pisses me off about hunters. WTF is wrong with people who think they can make an accurate shot at 600-1000 yrds standing up off hand? [angry]

I had many shots but nothing I felt confident I could make so I didn’t shoot I waited for that prime shot. Mean while I see jerk offs taking nothing more than pot shots.

The doe I got had a bullet that passed through her lower left jaw and exited high on the right side. She was standing there with nothing but tongue showing and her lower jaw looked like a beard hanging down. Her upper pallet was busted about in the middle. She was on property next to the place I had permission but I was so pissed when I seen her through the spotting scope I didn't give a $hit about trespassing. I had to put her out of her misery.

My Antelope hunt turned into a mercy killing because some jack off thinks he can hit a pie plate at 1000 yrds with his 30-06 off hand standing up. This kind of crap is what gives anti-hunting groups more ammo.

WTF happened to ethical hunting and common sense? Sorry guys I just had to vent those of you that love hunting as much as I do PLEASE use common sense so things like that don't happen. No creature on earth deserves to suffer a horrible death like that which is what would have happened had I not seen her and put her out of her misery.

[angry] [angry] [angry] [diss]
10-08-2006, 15:03
mr_will

+1 I agree with you 100%
10-08-2006, 15:33
pickenup

Wait until you hear them bragging about how many "sound" shots they got that day. :evil:
10-08-2006, 15:54
7idl

are these the same hunters who believe that the 2nd is only about their hunting "rights"????

:evil:
10-08-2006, 16:19
chrisguy

+1

I don't hunt but I'm happy to hear your stance on it HunterCO. Glad you were there.
10-08-2006, 17:41
Gman

This may get me in trouble with some of you, but I feel the same way about handgun hunters and some bowhunters. Yeah, you can take game that way, but most people shouldn't. The trick isn't trying to kill an animal in the most challenging way. Use the best tool for the job and make the kill as humanely as possible. The trick should be in getting the animal to drop in a heap and not being a blood trail where the animal isn't found and left to die a slow death.

To quote Dirty Harry, "A man's got to know his limitations." If you aren't 100% sure of the shot, pass on it and wait for a better opportunity.

It was fortunate for that doe that HunterCO was in the right place at the right time. HunterCO, will you catch any grief for the mercy killing?
10-08-2006, 19:38
Colorado Osprey

Just got home...this is the 1st time hunting far eastern Colorado for antelope instead of El Paso county.

I couldn't believe how skittish they were and at what distances.

They were running at distances starting at 1/2 mile. I usually only shoot at distances up to 200 yards.

They have definately been shot at.

I couldn't take any shots today because of this strange phenomenon.
Next year I will be hunting my old haunt where I am the only hunter on 20k acres.

If you see someone taking these long distance pot shots standing off-hand call the DOW, they would love to give some trouble out.
10-08-2006, 20:00
<MADDOG>

"Heck Bubba, your good out to 600 yards with that group!" (With a 100 yard group the size of a pie plate)

I Know what you mean, having witnessed multiple yahoo's like the above think they are Audie Murphy. The state should have a "markmenship" test before it hands out that license. I feel sad for half the game out there.......
10-08-2006, 20:42
mr_will

Quote:

Originally Posted by <MADDOG>

"Heck Bubba, your good out to 600 yards with that group!" (With a 100 yard group the size of a pie plate)

I have seen more than my share of these idiots. I have personally seen a guy put 3 rounds in about a 6" group at 100 yards and call it good. And this was with probably a 2-3k dollar rifle. I never understood these people
10-08-2006, 21:41
Chaffee2

Advertising! Almost all the gun rags and ads talk about the long shot. I find it amazing people buy all the latest magnums but can't even hit the 30" 300yrd gong out at the range. But almost always start talking about shooting antelope at 600 plus yards.

For a lot of guys hunting is just an excuse to get out of the house and drink beer.

A friend of mine baits these guys at out at the range into telling him how great a shot they are and how wonderful their $1k or more rifle is. After they puff themselves up he will go back to his bench and start ringing the gong with a open sighted rifle of some sort usually a 30-30 since most people know what it is. He is a competitive Hi-Power rifle shooter and has won his share of matches.

The looks on their faces is priceless.

I'll just stay with my underpowered .50 cal muzzle loader and obsolete 30-06.
The longest shot I've ever taken is maybe 150 yards.
10-09-2006, 17:07
Ice Pirate

This is one of the main reasons I don't hunt these days. Too many morons out there shooting at anything that moves. They honestly think that if they can see it, they can hit it. What's worse is that they don't even pay attention to what they see.

I was just in the sticks one day with a friend. We were just out shooting, not even hunting, when this "Friend" takes a shot at a rabbet with a .22LR and just managed to punch a hole in the little bugger's ear. I grabbed the pistol, (my pistol), out of his hand and asked him what the hell he thought he was doing. The rabbit was over 30 yards away and running when he shot. Just stupid! And this guy hunts on a regular basis. I don't want to be within 2 miles of this jerk during hunting season.

"One Shot, One Kill" or don't bother shooting!
10-09-2006, 17:53
michael_aos

Quote:

Originally Posted by pickenup

Wait until you hear them bragging about how many "sound" shots they got that day. :evil:

I've heard that phrase repeated many times by my ex-father-in-law.

As with "bump firing", I finally had to ask someone to explain to me what the phrase meant.

Mike
10-09-2006, 18:27
Chaffee2

Please tell me what a sound shot and bump firing is. I've never heard those terms before this thread.
10-09-2006, 18:30
westy1970

It's the same in any sport. There are a bunch of dumb people doing dumb things. When I was in Kalifornia I surfed almost every day. The key was knowing your limit. In this case, if you overstep your limit, an animal is injured. in most of the sports I do or did, if you got out of line, you were injured or killed. Case in point where I was the dumba$$:
I went out on a 8 foot day with steep waves on a 10' noserider. I was a liitle out of my league with the size of the wave (8' wave is a 16' face) but I had the completely wrong board AND I KNEW IT! I went anyway. Dropped in on a wave and it started closing out. Instead of bailing I tucked into the tube and went for a ride in the washing machine. I almost broke my neck and could have easily drowned. The sad part is I knew I was in the wrong and did it anyway. I know several people who have been killed stepping out and at a certain point they deserved it. I am sure the AHole who took a shot at the doe knew it was a long shot, but figured what the heck. It's not my butt on the line. The lack of accountability is what bothers me about the story of the mercy killing.
10-09-2006, 21:25
pickenup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaffee2

Please tell me what a sound shot and bump firing is. I've never heard those terms before this thread.

Mike,
A “sound” shot is just what the name implies.
Hear ANY “sound” take a shot at it.

A little story about how I learned what it meant.

Long time ago we were hunting up around Steamboat. One night we decided to have dinner in town. We were just finishing up our meal when a fairly large group of half drunk, OBNOXIOUS, loudmouth, out-of-state, a$$holes came in. (Knew they were from out of state, because they had said they were) Couldn’t help but overhear them bragging about how many “sound” shots they got that day. Did I mention that they were LOUD.

We were ready to leave anyway, so when I got up from our table, I went over to theirs. I asked them. “What the h**l a sound shot was?” They told me if they heard ANYTHING, they would take a shot, then go see if they hit something. I was SO pi$$ed that I started screaming and yelling at them right there in the restaurant. I was making all kinds of threats about what I wanted to do to them right there, much less what I would do to them if I found them in the field. My two buddies had to literally pick me up, one on each arm, and carry me out of there kicking and screaming. Good thing they had already paid the bill.

I quit hunting for over 2 decades because of this. Took hunting up again for a while, but now I don’t hunt for different reasons.

Bump firing. The practice of letting the “recoil” move the gun back and forth against a “ridged” finger to simulate full auto fire. You need a LARGE backstop, as the accuracy when doing this, leaves a LOT to be desired.

(OK, someone chime in here and say that they can bump-fire their AR-15 into a 2” hole at 100 yards)
10-09-2006, 21:31
michael_aos

I'm wondering if this "sound shot" thing is something they just make up to freak out the locals?

Mike
10-09-2006, 21:43
mr_will

[quote="pickenup"]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaffee2

(OK, someone chime in here and say that they can bump-fire their AR-15 into a 2” hole at 100 yards)

you mean you cant do that with yours!!
hell i got so good that now I set up dimes at 500 yards and bump fire my .22 and can hit all of them without a single miss [roll]
10-09-2006, 22:08
Chaffee2

It's incredible that someone could be so stupid as to sound fire. I would hope it is just a story to fire up the locals.

I've seen some stupid things during all the years I've hunted but that takes the cake.
10-09-2006, 23:56
mr_will

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaffee2

It's incredible that someone could be so stupid as to sound fire. I would hope it is just a story to fire up the locals.

I've seen some stupid things during all the years I've hunted but that takes the cake.

it happens quite often
10-10-2006, 16:11
Ice Pirate

In the 27 years I'd spent teaching small arms for the Air Force, I always stressed to my students the absolute necessity to "Possitivily Identify" your target before engaging! This is a must!

It is reckless and criminal behaviour to be "sound shooting" or "Bump shooting." Yet another reason why I don't hunt these days. Way too many half-trained idiots running around with their heads so far up their a$$ they haven't seen daylight in years.

It'd be great if they'd let us Hunt those morons!
10-10-2006, 20:17
<MADDOG>

HunterCO,

Proof to your post: videotap of "hunters" found it's way to work today of fellow employees. If you call blowing out the side of a "loper" and letting it run for a good 200m with it's intestines hanging out of it's side "humane", I'm the Pope. 183 YD shot by Swarovski. The Barnes did it's job, the hunter did not.........
10-10-2006, 23:02
HunterCO

Quote:

Originally Posted by <MADDOG>

HunterCO,

Proof to your post: videotap of "hunters" found it's way to work today of fellow employees. If you call blowing out the side of a "loper" and letting it run for a good 200m with it's intestines hanging out of it's side "humane", I'm the Pope. 183 YD shot by Swarovski. The Barnes did it's job, the hunter did not.........

That is not what I am talking about..... I have shot many animals that ran great distances with a perfect shot. My first goat I shot with my 30-06 with a 165 grn. soft point she ran over 60 yrds with her lungs hanging out the exit wound. She was dead and just didn't know it.

I am talking about jerk offs that blow an animals face apart or a leg ect. Things that they will not die of in a short distance. These are things that they will die of in weeks not 200 yrds.

Intestines hanging out???? Glad I didn't have to gut it..... I have a strong stomach but it has its limits. Anybody I hunt with gut shoots one your on your own guting it other than that I will help you.
10-13-2006, 19:42
<MADDOG>

Hunter CO, this just proves my point..It appeared the round impacted about 6" from the hindquarters (intestines), and this particular yahoo thinks he is capable of a 500 yd. shot. Like I said, the Barnes caused so much damage, it basically bled to death (albeit quicky). I'm sorry, but if you make a sloppy shot at less than 200, you have no business even attempting 500, let alone 300. Explains the blown off jaw.....
10-13-2006, 19:56
HunterCO

Quote:

Originally Posted by <MADDOG>

Hunter CO, this just proves my point..It appeared the round impacted about 6" from the hindquarters (intestines), and this particular yahoo thinks he is capable of a 500 yd. shot. Like I said, the Barnes caused so much damage, it basically bled to death (albeit quicky). I'm sorry, but if you make a sloppy shot at less than 200, you have no business even attempting 500, let alone 300. Explains the blown off jaw.....

Gotcha I misunderstood your point. I agree with you 100%