I am unsure of how to vote for Congress in the 4th District. I cannot support either candidate with a clear conscience.
Musgrave - Good for gun's. Bad for most other basic rights.
Paccione - Bad for gun's. Scares me.
No clear choice.
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I am unsure of how to vote for Congress in the 4th District. I cannot support either candidate with a clear conscience.
Musgrave - Good for gun's. Bad for most other basic rights.
Paccione - Bad for gun's. Scares me.
No clear choice.
.
I understand your reservations.
Musgrave is very pro RKBA
Musgrave is very pro life
Musgrave votes the Bush line on most items, that is what concerns me the most.
She did vote for the strongest Border Bill, and did not go with Bush on that.
The political ads for that race really suck, from both sides.
I will hold my nose and vote for Musgrave, because there is no other alternative, there is no way I could ever vote for AP. And I will continue to write Musgrave and try to hold her accountable for her votes that stray from her constitutional duties.
Musgrave is a member of the Liberty Committee, and I think she needs to be reminded of that quite often. Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo are also members.
Besides Paccione is uglier than a mules butt.
With few exceptions, GOOD people do NOT want to run for office. They would have to rub elbows with the rest of the CORRUPT politicians, fearing that it would eventually rub off on them.
SAD that there are NO GOOD CHOICES.
I wouldn't cross the street to PISS on either of them if they were on fire. I think they both suck canal water and this campaine of total utter negitivity is enough to me me blow chunks! http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...anim_puke1.gif
The worst of it is that I have no idea what either of them stands for. Its just total [bsflag] . Think I do a write in for Gen. Powell, at least I can respect him.
My wife is positive that Paccione is a man!!!! [poke]
I really hate it when there is no good choice!!
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Originally Posted by Ice Pirate
no one knows what Colin Powell stands for either, besides he is NWO
Powell politically:
Pro choice. Somewhat fiscally conservative, social liberal. He still believes in affirmative action and racial set asides. Although he is an R, he's a RINO. Big time LBJ supporter in the 60's. I've read his bio and IMO, more of a Bloomberg/Rockefeller Republican. Never heard his stand on gun control, but my gut says he would support the AWB.
If you don't like Musgrave and AP, think about the people they enable.
Musgrave: You keep the status quo, less Foley.
AP: Think Speaker Pelosi, whip Barney Frank. Henry Waxman overseeing the BATF and all the new gun legislation. Now in power: the party that re-elected Gary Studds six times after he had sex with a 17-yr-old page. As far as we know, Foley only had phone sex and he was sent packing. Yep, AP's a member of the party of Alcee Hastings, impeached and convicted of accepting bribes to fix cases as a federal judge - now a sitting multiterm US congressman. The party of William Jefferson, caught with $90,000 cash in his refrigerator.
Think of larger government, much larger. Think about half of Mexico being offered dual citizenship to lock in their voter base. Think about the party that shitcans missle defense while N. Korea fine tunes their next generation of rockets to deliver those nukes they developed while Clinton appeased them with offers of more nuclear reactors.
Think about 50 cal bans and a permanent AWB. Think about a permanent repeal of the tax cuts that brought us out of an inherited recession, an economy that absorbed and then overcame the attacks of 9-11 and horrible hurricanes. This impressive recovery happened despite enormous increases in fuel and commodity prices due to almost a third of the world's population in India and China modernizing. Tax cuts that have heated up and strengthened this economy with a rising tide that lifts all ships.... gone. Replaced with more toll booths on the road to success.
Think about specious global warming legislation driving the cost of electricity and automobiles through the roof. Then there's the environmentalist whackos who want to close our ranges and hunting lands, back in power again. What about Canadian-style socialized medicine? You know, the good stuff they dispense at the VA hospitals around the country. Can you spell rationing? Of course there will be more ridiculous ineffective regulations placed on the backs of American businesses such as Sarbanes-Oxley.
Fiscal restraint? Think the Republicans were bad? Tax and spend, spend and tax. And finally, the party of France can clench defeat early in a tough, long war by turning Iraq and Afganistan into Somalia just like Bin Laden predicted we would. Ask a soldier in Iraq which party he feels will support him in his mission.
Then vote.
I'll take someone that is pro-2A over someone that is not. If you can't defend your rights via the 2nd Amendment, what good are the others?
I will be voting independant no matter what, if thier are no independants i will probobly vote republican and have to puke after words!
I hate democrat policy allot, they are = to socialists.
I hate republican policy almost as much they are only liberals....
The only true conservative choice? I fear their is none.
There's always libertarian. It really sucks that they get such bad press. If they could just get someone with a lot of money that wants to get int office behind them....
Ya i agree... sadly they dont seem to do much....
It's a good idea with almsost no muscle behind it.
I am a Constitution Party voter, but the CP candidate for the congressional seat has not been effective in campaigning, and has almost 0 exposure.
I am partially at fault, but I am out of town all week long, for work. So I have no time to give a political campaign.
All that said, there is still clear differences between Musgrave and Paccione.
As too the problems with Musgrave, how many of you have taken the time to contact her office? Have you bothered to tell her what you like or don't like? She holds town hall meetings quite often, have you attended?
I am one that believes if you elect someone, they should follow the guidence set up by the Constitution for their office and the way they vote. But we all know it does not work that way. So we need our voice heard more than just election day. I have contacted her office several times concerning pending legislation, but not as much as I should have.
We would all be better served by getting involved in the process beyond just the ballot box.
Have you bothered to tell her what you like or don't like? She holds town hall meetings quite often, have you attended?
it does not matter which party they represent. anytime i contacted an elected rep their reply is almost verbatim
over the phone
" thank you for your call. i will pass on to rep XXX how you feel. we thank you for taking the time to contact us and your opinion matters"
by mail
" we appreciate you taking the time to get involved regarding this issue. your letter has been read and rep XXX appreciates your involvement and opinion"
notice a pattern? whether it be gun control, immigration, funding for XXX. their response is basically a form letter or read from sheet, with a signatuire on the bottom thanking us for our time!
this year i wanted a person running for office to tell me what they were going to do regarding the issues.
instead both dem's and rep's ,as well as the 527's, spent more time and money telling us how bad the other person is.
the voter backlash might be surprising.
of course after John Hari-Kari's, graduate or be an idiot in iraq "joke" the rep's might actually get out and vote and surprise the pundit's.
Jim,
Part of my point is that we need to be more involved, directly, we need to be the ones in the office taking the calls and responding to letters.
The ones that are making her policy decisions are the ones answering the phones and answering her mail.I spent a short time lobbying at the state capital in Oregon, and got just a glimpse of how this crap works.
You have to get past the guard dogs in order to talk to the principal.
We in general are not getting past the guards to the principal.
I get frustrated and mad as the next guy, maybe madder than most, and I am extremely frustrated at the last 2 years of Musgrave, but she is RKBA and for a strong border security. Pacconie is not.
I am having to become a one issue voter this cycle.
I personally feel that if I vote MM my public schools will suffer more than they already do. She is anti-choice for everything except 2nd amendment. I believe that if the state department calls for a ban on AW's (legislation has already been written) she will support it in the name of homeland security. (MY GAWD, terrorists use those AK47's)
If I vote AP I am afraid my public schools will suffer due to mismanagement. She is also anti-choice.
If there were a Libertarian, I would vote for them because they support your right to put chicken heads on pikes if that's what you want to do. I am disappointed in the L party in CO, since it is teh birthplace of the party. i wish they were stronger and I am doing my part to help them.
A protest vote may make you feel better, but it's a vote that doesn't advance any of your preferred positions.[shark]
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Originally Posted by Gman
true
but at what point does the public become so disenfranchised that we/they don't turn out to vote at all?
i was/have been actively involved in the political system. our daughter (when she was in HS) more so. she was interviewed a few times on the major denver stations as well as the local papers. what you hear and read about a canidate before getting in office vs. what actually happens once in is almost a split personality.
as i mentioned before. the missus and myself are so disgusted with all the canidates come 08 we may vote
sure a protest vote doesn't get heard but is there actually anyone listening?
If everyone starts to actually vote for the party they believe in (Ie: Libretarian) instead of the ones that will probobly have a chance of winning somthing good may actually happen! I just sent in my early ballot and voted Libretarian where i could including gov.
There's something I've learned as I've gotten older. You can't count on "everyone".Quote:
Originally Posted by Delphi
You take the best advantage of what's available to get the best possible outcome. You can sit back after the Tuesday election and bitch that you didn't vote for whoever it was that won, but later you will realize that nothing was gained by it. You might even realize that if only a few had voted for a non-optimal candidate that could defeat someone that wanted to take away what you have now, you would have been better off.
But it's your vote and you did the right thing by exercising your rights.
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Originally Posted by Gman
If everyone, including the democrats, voted their conscience, it would work much better.
Heck, I can think of a lot of better candidates than Beupreux (SP?) but there is clear evidence he is better than Ritter and every liberal will vote for Ritter.
I can think of better people than Musgrave, but AP isn't one of them, and every liberal will vote for AP.
The sad part is, liberals vote their principals, simply put they have no principals, so as long as the candidate has no principals and no scrupples, they will vote for them. Liberal politicians make the liberal masses feel good about themselves and their warped views.
True conservatives, make a lot of people uncomfortable, because they actually stand for something. Will actually say this is right or this is wrong.
Face it, we are losing because we are to picky, and they are not.
Yes, I am picky....
Hrmm i understand what you guys are saying, and having a republican although not even close to optimal is better than a democrat.
But doesnt electing republicans show them "hey even though i'm not doing the right conservative thing i still get elected... i guess not doing my job has no consequences"
I think it shows them that they can continue to keep doing a bad job, and as time goes by they will continue to get worse and worse until they are just like democrats. Maybee a bad loss and an increase in votes for a third party might work as a type of shock thereapy to wake them up and get republicans back on the right track?
Apparently you missed out on Ross Perot. :roll: Karl.
The Dave 1164 ,
Wrote [Paccione is uglier than a mules butt]
HOW DARE YOU insult my mule.
What is this form coming to that
someone can insult a fine mule.
As I have said often, Right Wing and Left Wing are attached to the same bird of prey.
:cry:
Once rights are taken away they are difficult to get back. Think about it--a democrat house, senate, and a gun grabber democrat for a governor. In your attempt to teach them a lesson, you may end up with a statewide AWB with limitations on full capacity magazines and the abandonment of 'shall issue' concealed carry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delphi
Who was it that was getting the shock therapy? [poke]
Nationwide they could not do crud since bush would veto everything they try... locally well who knows, but i guess we will see what happens eh?
that's what they said in CA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delphi
come day after elections here and all gun owners might be real upset .
pearlmutter and ken gordon would abolish state CCW as fast as they would get ritter to sign off on it. the fight to get statewide CCW will be nothing compared to the swiftness of them abolishing it.