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There are cows that come on my property, I do not really care. But I was told to keep my dogs from chasing the cattle that come on my property.I'm trying to be polite,but it is my property. I also shoot alot, not at the cows or even in the same direction, but they run. Also there is a mean range bull that keeps messing around, I was told that if I feel threatened to shoot it. Don't really want to start a range war, but I don't feel I should have to put up a fence.Thanks for any advice.
45/70 should do the trick. [Coffee]
I just pulled my Guide Gun out this morning[Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazin
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite...me=CDAGWrapper
its a fence "out" state.
I plan on putting up a fence, just don't like people telling me to watch my dogs on my property. My other neighbor told me they shot a dog that was chasing there cows, last time. Also its off a CR that is suposed to be fenced.
id put up a fence with a few cow locked in the yard and when the rancher comes over to complain just tell him that you thought he did not want them anymore seeing as they were on your property . if you have to watch you dogs then he should watch his cows .
when you get that cow you should invite everyone over for one hell of a cook out
Also may need you guys down here if I try and keep there cattle:) want to be a good neighbor just don't like like people telling me what to do on my property
"Open range" does not mean a stockman can simply allow their livestock to run at large without penalty. CRS 35-46-105 "Grazing on roads and in municipalities" and CRS 35-47-101 "Horses and mules running at large" are two statutes to deal with negligent livestock owners. These statutes can be used by local law enforcement to help curtail animals being allowed to run at large.
A livestock owner is not responsible for the accidental trespass of their livestock causing damage on another's property not protected by a "lawful" fence. A "lawful" fence is defined as a "well constructed three barbed wire fence with substantial posts set at a distance of approximately 20 feet apart, and sufficient to turn ordinary horses and cattle, with all gates equally as good as the fence, or any other fence of like efficiency." Fence law does not shield a livestock owner from an action of personal injuries caused by their livestock trespassing on the land of others. Most alarming is the fact that the "fence law" will not bar an action for escaped livestock involved in an accident on public highways.
Do you need a hired gun? I think we could round up quite a posse on here. I think you need an AK or something.[Coffee]
The free range laws protect 'accidental' trespass by livestock, and the ranchers from being sued for damages they cause... and you can't harm the livestock that do stray- but they can't deliberately drive their cattle onto your property, either.
Call the local brand inspector, and get their take on it... they're usually really helpful, at least in my area.
While you can't harm or keep the cattle, you can "persuade" them to leave... cattle prods are acceptable in the industry, how about paintball/airsoft? [Coffee]
"Just tenderizing them for ya"
But there is supose to be a fence on the county road, paintballing cows sounds cool.
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Originally Posted by alxone
you can chase them off, even corral them if they're damaging your property, but you can't keep them... if you "cook them up", you'll be facing jail time.Quote:
Originally Posted by alxone
That's just not the way it works out on the country... not in Colorado, anyway. If you have a fence, and they bust it down- then you can even sue the rancher- no fence, no protection.
I've not had to deal with cattle on my own property, but know people that have, I've had pigs and the occasional donkey that takes a shining to one of my mares.
A fence on the county road would be to keep the cattle off the road- the law states that if you want to keep them off your property, you've got to fence it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brokenscout
Before paintball markers were used for games, they were used by the foresters to mark trees, and then by ranchers to mark stray cattle (60's and 70's), the first organized paintball games were around 1981
I think i'll just sit down with them, before things get bad. If I cooked one up, pretty sure jail time would not be envolved,but get shot would:)
"He's comin' right for us!!!!!!"
The Sheriff told me I could if I felt threatenedQuote:
Originally Posted by Graves
just get an air horn and blow it every time they come on your land and i would think that over time they would just stop .but i dont a thing about livestock being a city person and all .
I've been wondering about the knockdown power and penetration capabilities of a .458 SOCOM...[Tooth]
Now I'm all hungry.Quote:
Originally Posted by alxone
Airtight 1/4lb canisters of tannerite marked by those survey flags. Bull comes by, pop the nearest canister at least 20yds from him. Repeat as necessary.
i am not sure about colorado, but in AZ if your dog is bothering livestock they can be killed to protect the livestock.
you need to fence them out. and if your dog goes outside your property to chase livestock all bets are off for your dogs.
Maybe immediately call (phone) the cattle owner EVERY time their livestock ventures over on your property. Try this only after you sit down with him and have a talk over a couple/few beers. [Beer]
If you have a target range built, they had better not stay across your line of sight when you are ready to squeeze that trigger.[Tooth]
Hope my post did not kill this thread.[Bang]
Be a good neighbor and talk to the guy. He has probably done this for years and years and never heard a peep about it. some new guy rolls in and starts demanding stuff and paintballing his cows and things are going to get ugly.
I know if I was that guy and that happened the second a paw hit my property there would be one less dog in the world just out of pure precedence. If you want them out, build a fence.
Being a good neighbor will go a hell of a lot further than pulling anything stupid. I bet if you play your cards right he might even help you out paying for or putting up the fence. I'm guessing he has a tractor and that would make putting stakes in the colorado clay for the barbed wire that much easier. Then it is just a matter of making sure your dog doesn't bother the cattle. And if you have been nice to him, he isn't going to shoot your dog. He can just call you and nip the problem in the butt.
My dads new neighbor went about this all the wrong way. shot his .22 up in the air while I was out on my ATV on property he didn't own and I had permission to be on. I was on the other side of his fence with my dogs running them and his dogs apparently went nuts in his house and he got pissed. I told him I am not on his property and I grew up riding here and still can. The sheriff was kind enough to have a very good talking with him about the situation. He ran in to another issue with another new neighbor who has been very cool to me. The new neighbor is extremely wealthy and apparently they were both in the same business. The new neighbor undercut the other guy so much that the bad neighbor lost his business and eventually got foreclosed on and forced to move! I was happy to see that happen[Coffee]
It'd be a VERY dirty thing to do and I sure would never do it or recommend it but I have heard of one chap who got tired of having his neighbors cattle on his property eating up all the vegetation and ****ting all over the place. Even after numerous repeated friendly chats and then finally, since his complaints received zero attention, he got a power post hole digger and drilled a whole lot of holes in his pasture in the area where the neighbors livestock usually grazed. Of course he "intended" to gradually place fence posts in those holes.....It would be nasty but I understand that it did get the message across and quickly.
It has already been stated, but colorado is an open range state. it is the land owner's responsibility to keep livestock off their property. So you need to fence out anything you dont want on your property.
I know quite a few brand inspectors and they have tons of stories of people driving off the road to avoid cows just standing there and they totally reck the cars. no liability falls on the cow owner, all the fault is placed on the driver. best of luck with your neighboor.