I love watching these media lefties describe a spanking like it was a beheading. They are pathetic.
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I love watching these media lefties describe a spanking like it was a beheading. They are pathetic.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/451469...t#.TrLCTbKkh78
America is screwed. Soon football will be flag football because banging heads is "barbaric." There are so many examples of the American pussiness.
Obviously she didn't get her ass beat enough. I've had neighbors pinch hit for my folks.
Did you watch the video?? That was way more than a spanking. That was abuse. Mom got her licks in too
Really? Have any of you actually watched the video? He crossed way over the line.
I watched it - I don't consider it over the line. He used the belt, not the buckle. She wasn't injured, so it wasn't really a "beating" - a sore butt should remind her not to steal.
That's what I'm sayin'
She got the belt...BFD!!
The comments this subject will generate will perfectly illuminate the rift that exists in the country between those who were educated and those who were programmed.
I got the belt growing up. My grandma in her 70's used the belt.
I preferred her since she was old and couldn't get the belt to crack the air when she swung. A spank isn't going to ruin a kid. But if you can't take away all their toys make them do yard work. A spanking maybe their last hope before they grow up to be horrible adults.
My take: Spanking or light slap are ok. There is physical contact, some shrink will tell you that it is the same transfer has giving a kiss or a hug. Using a proxy (belt, stick, ...) is too much.
This and teachers too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Graves
When I was in school the teacher hit you and then the principal smacked you and then your Mom spanked you and the only thing you were REALLY worried about was when you Dad got home! [Mad]
If she was injured or not is not the issue. He was in a rage which is not the time to discipline a child. Repeatedly hitting a child while cursing and making statements like "I'll hit you in the face" then leaving to get another belt and coming back "I didn't finish getting my licks, I want my licks" etc is not discipline.
I agree with this statement but we probably have a totally different opinion on who is programmed and who is educated.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSOTSI
Programming is predictable. I rest my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
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Originally Posted by newracer
+100. There is a fine line between discipline and abuse. This was not discipline. I'm all for "beating" a child and wish more parents would discipline strongly (ie. "spare the rod..."), BUT NOT when it comes from a place of anger and leads to abuse.
What case? You have made none.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSOTSI
I hate to presume but I'd be willing bet you were "educated" in a similar manner to what was in the video. If that is the case I am sorry for you.
Two post from another forum hit the nail on the head in this case.
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For all the folks who believe it's appropriate to whip their kid (I'm not talking about a swat on the butt for kids who are too young to reason with and for behavior which is dangerous to them):
Have you ever been in charge of others kids? How did you get them to behave since you couldn't bully them and beat them into submission?
I was den leader for 5 years over 8 boys, a couple of which were "spirited" (read, poorly parented/had some add or whatever the term of the day is). I got those boys to behave because they wanted to and because they respected me and didn't want to disappoint me. It's not rocket surgery but it does take some intelligence, patience and techniques.
Spanking a kid who is old enough to reason and who has wants and desires is very counter productive to true discipline and the desired good behavior. Like I said before, you can get submission, but you won't get the desire to do what's right for the sake of it being right. Along with submission, you'll get resentment, lack of respect, sneaking around, lack of communication etc etc.
I'm sure there are some who are familiar with "outward bound" type programs. They take troubled youths and try to turn them around. Some of the kids are really messed up. They have a high success rate. They don't beat the kids and these are not your run of the mill brats, these are seriously troubled/damaged kids. Give that some thought.
I have two sons (13 and 10) and I challenge anyone to find kid that is more well behaved and respectful than either one of them. I have never laid a hand on them, ever, never had too. They respect me but do not fear me, there is a huge difference.Quote:
For all of you who find no real wrong in the video or believe that it is EVER ok or beneficial to treat a child like that, I'll say this:
You don't realize it because you're living it but you have some mental issues. They could have come from your own abuse as a child or some other trauma. A person who is sick usually doesn't realize that they are so they need an outside source to tell them.
I'm telling you. If you don't see that it's wrong to beat a child in the manner the video showed, you REALLY need to get some professional help before you pass your sick, perverse, twisted way of viewing the world and parenting onto your children.
What is in the video is NOT a healthy or beneficial way to raise a kid. Just because YOU were beaten doesn't mean it's OK or right.
I know this is just the internet and nothing is serious... However, there are real people on the other side of the screen and they effect other people in their lives. From what I've read in this thread, there are some very damaged individuals here. I sincerely hope that you, who need it, will get the help you need so as to not pass this on to your kids.
I've seen the type of adult this behavior makes. Sure they can be nice, productive, kind people but they have deep and painful scars that never go away.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
And the Mom yelling "take it like a grown woman!" is retarded and shows their ignorance. Grown adults don't lay down and take a beating.
"That's why I didn't want to bring a computer in the house" he says...in 2004...yeah, that's a comment from a sane person if I ever heard one. Computers are evil don't you know?
The Dad in the video was in a rage...that was no controlled disciplinary action. That was no spank or belt slap on the rear to teach a lesson...that was pure and simple whipping. I'm sure most of you would call it animal abuse if you saw some guy whipping a dog repeatedly like that in his yard...
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that isn't bothered at all by the video.
a buddy of mine was abused as a child. he said his father would sit him on the bed and say don't move or I'll clobber you. then before he left dad would say if you don't clean your room I'll clobber you.
no matter what he did he got clobbered. that's abuse.
when your child disobeys knowing full well the punishment is the belt, then they should get the belt. had she not disobeyed it would never had happened.
I got the belt when I was a young child. as I got older, I would just get a smack in the face. I can recall every instance it happened, and I deserved it every time, and I'd do the same thing in my dad's place today.
kids will push the limit, and if they find they can get away with it they will push some more, until eventually they run the roost and are little bastards. (I've seen kids order their parents around, and the parents obeyed)
you don't have to beat a child, but the child has to learn that you're the boss and when they disobey the threat of punishment is not false or hollow.
the fact that she wouldn't bend over to take her licks shows me that she was probably a brat and a half, deserving every smack.
I'm a big fan of corporal punishment. My brother and I were spanked ofter growing up, but never like this. My dad uses a belt too sometimes. But, my dad was always in control and never wound up for a swing like this guy. Everytime was the same: 3-4 swats that stung then he would make sure my brother and I understood what we did wrong. He always concluded by saying he was no longer mad at us and loved us. He never deviated from this formula.
I really think this crossed a line. I don't see this guy in control of his emotions and I also think 16 years old is too old to spank. If you havn't instilled good character in your kid by this point then you need to find another avenue of discipline. What she did was wrong, but I don't think the punishment fit the crime.
As you said, you got a smack when you were older. Would you have bent over to take a belt when you were 16?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elhuero
Sorry fella, this is abusive, if she gets that for "illegal downloads" what the hell did she get for a serious infraction? Ridiculous, that punishment does not fit the crime. Spanking is one thing, that went beyond spanking. (however it was pretty common to get much worse in our house growing up) I wouldn't and haven't ever gone that far with my sons, frankly its unnecessary and gets no better results than a controlled calm spank, secondly I save those for serious infractions, thirdly she is 16, much more effective ways of punishing a child that age like privilege revocation (like obviously computer in this case). I don't like it, discipline out of anger invokes the wrong response, and that was wild uncontrolled discipline. Period.
Sorry?? How metrosexual. I appreciate that I grew up in a society that held people to account for bad and criminal behavior, unlike the liberal ****hole utopia you did Mr. New Castrati.Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
Now it turns that this stupid bag of estrogen was quite happy to to leave her sister in the house with this "monster" all these years without telling the authorities but as soon as daddy threatened to cut her allowance and take her "Mercedes Benz" then all of a sudden it was necessary to drag out the video. Maybe we can get her to say she too was propositioned by Cain.
Female logic. The ultimate oxymoron. And suddenly the other E-Cloud who participated in the "whippin' " is as pure as the wind driven snow. Phuck litards. The curse of the earth.
I got a friend whose "tweener, which is a f&*(ing stupid descriptor", female, told him that if you make me do something I will say you abused me. Fresh divorce. Little POS learned that somewhere. hmmmmm Maybe the libtard shrinks, the media, her little POS friends... Anyone who says my kids respect me, well you are either a god or fooling yourself.....
And this came up about making her go to Sunday School.. True story.. SO good luck for all that have "good kids"....
Metrosexual? Me? [ROFL2] Because I can feel compassion for someone? Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSOTSI
When did I ever say someone shouldn't be held accountable for their actions? You have no idea the conditions I grew up in. Obviously you have a hard time with reading comprehension. It is stated above that I have two sons, so way I can be a Mr. Castrati.
Some woman or women must have really ruined your life.
The fact that she's on the today show ruining her father's career with family business tells you all you need to know about her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elhuero
I got the belt growing up. My father would take his time and make me count out loud. My mother preferred to use wooden spoons, until one broke. All I can say about that is, **** whoever invented a plastic spatula!
My Grandmother made me get a switch once. Advice on this one... if you are ever told to go pick a switch, pick the biggest, heaviest one you can carry. Odds are whoever is using it on you won't be able to pick it up. My grandma was like a ninja with that tiny thing I picked out. To this day, I still swear in the blur of that swinging switch, my Grandma did a back flip and yelled something at me in Japanese.
I don't see anything wrong with corporal punishment. I bet she never stole anything again. I do have a problem with other people telling someone how to raise and discipline their own kids. Especially 7 years after the incident.
Melissa Etheridge has 2 kids and a wife. Does that mean she also has a nut sack? New Castrati refers to your state of mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by newracer
Call yourself anything you want and believe it. Hey it's your delusion. But delusions aren't reality.
The girl waited 7 years for this? why?...because she is about as good as the occupy people. she wants something for nothing. she had a mercedes and got everything paid for...doesn't seem like she is struggling, but now that she is dropping out of school and dad gets pissed and takes her stuff away all of a sudden she is going to paint him as a crazy child abuser?
^this^Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
she is a spoiled brat
If you have to beat the crap out of your kids to get them to mind then you have failed as a parent.
i for one dont see that as beating the crap out of someone . the video and usa today segment smell of lawyer . why wait 7 years ? i call bull sh*t [Rant1] . this society has gone down hill ever since a spanking has become a beating . while i do think there are better was to discipline a teenager. i do not see where he did anything wrong . we dont know the back story on what led to this , it could have built up over years , other punishments may not have worked , ect.Quote:
Originally Posted by hip55
this is not a case of child abuse but of blackmail
So what's the next physical thrashing that is acceptable? Beat the wife? Whip your parents? Kick your neighbors ass?
Iran- "The model of humanity" [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by TSOTSI
I'm sure this guy just can't wait to get back to his homies so he can get back to his old ways[ROFL1]
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ebe_1181569371
ok your right he should have turned her over to the cops for stealing and seeing as he is a judge he should have thrown the book at her .Quote:
Originally Posted by hip55
Even this caning is VERY different from the Dad whipping his girl. No anger, no cussing or threatening to cane the BGs face...hell, there is even a guy holding/patting the criminal's head while the caning is going on. Nothing emotional about it. But the Dad was in a pure rage. He went beyond simple punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSOTSI
There is more to being a parent than physical persuasion and the threat of "the Cops". Neither "correction" is going to solve the problem, but will IMO just create more problems.
Undeniable truth of life #46. Do not attempt to reason where the faculty to process does not exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by alxone
You are trying to plant the seeds of common sense on the equivalent of a volcanic rock. It is infertile and full of holes.
[ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by TSOTSI
That's a good attempt at some deep thought, but really rather shallow. Nice try though.
i just thinks its funny that people act like they have never pushed the envelope with there parents . isn't that part of being a teenager ??