So is this a scramble for votes or am I being too cynical?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18014102
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So is this a scramble for votes or am I being too cynical?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18014102
I agree with him. It won't do well for him, though.
He'll lose the religious vote that wasn't already going to the GOP, and he isn't gaining the gay vote, because they won't vote for Romney anyways.
I think the gays should suffer through marriage just like everyone else.
Exactly. They will learn sometime. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint45
And in 2008 he was in favor of traditional marriage. The fact that he waffles and lies is not new. He's already gone so far left he has nothing to lose.
Let them loose half their stuff too.
Look, nobody has ever believed that O'Barry DIDN'T support gay marriage ... everyone knows that Rev Wright, the Black Liberation Theology crowd and black Democrats in general are apposed to homosexuality in general and specifically gay marriage and he had to pretend to agree with them just to prevent conflict with his base.
He supports the destruction of EVERY element of Western Civilization, American Culture, Christian Culture and Capitalism but like most other liberals, progressives and Democrats he practices something akin to Taqiyya when it comes to the real goals and beliefs of him and his fellow travelers.
Critical Theory of Marxism has been fed to him intravenously since birth ... his mind marinates in it ... it is his true religion.
I honestly don't know 1) why anyone is surprised and 2) why anyone believes that pointing this out will harm this guy.
I'm with Romney and history " I believe marriage is between a man and a women." Two men getting married? Absurd.
Obama needs to go, don't care what his stance is on Gay marriage!
He'll come out of the closet soon.
I don't care if they want to marry. They will wish they didn't just like 99% of us in this forum!!!!
LOL amenQuote:
Originally Posted by lex137
Me too I don't even see how people have an issue with itQuote:
Originally Posted by Clint45
Apparently if gays can get married, it means that their happy marriage means less to everybody else around them that they think gives a shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
I don't see why people think it is okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
Ya know.....
I don't know. (Deep down its all wrong)
I'm still 50/50 on it.
If you aren't in that position it's a tuff call.
Like I'm not (this should ruffle some feather) a woman, so I dont know what it's like to make the decision to put my body and mind through an abortion.
Why is it up to the government to have any say in something that is purely of religious notion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumpstart
there should NOT be government recognized marriage. just civil unions or contracts, as i see it.
if a religious institution wants to marry you, well thats yours and their business. be it man man, woman woman, man woman woman woman, etc. if your choice of religion will marry you go for it. the government should only recognize contracts between individuals.
Ummm, Freedom of Religion? That First Amendment thing? Basic liberty to pursue happiness?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumpstart
Gays aren't bending you over, so why do you care? Jesus didn't tell us to kill all sinners or impose his will by force. Even Paul told the young churches in Greece to not pull away from the nonbelievers they lived among and to get along with them, just don't fall into sin with them. Your soul is your problem - let the gays worry about theirs.
Two words:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumpstart
Hot lesbians.
One concept:
Gay divorce court on TV. Who wouldn't watch that? Oh My!
But to be serious for a second. It really is not that big a deal to me. The less the government involves itself in my life or the lives of those around me the better. If two guys or two girls want to live there lives out with each other and have a civil union to show that they are together thick and thin, or if a church wants to perform a marriage for them, I really do not care. It is no more my concern then my marring a women is to them. Or entering into a civil union with one.
BINGO!! couldn't agree more. Contracts/civil unions can handle all the legalities there should be no benefits either way, single married, married to 5 women, or 2 dudes. Get the govt out of the marriage business and 95% of people won't give a flying F what 2 people want to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
You and Hbar nailed it. The government needs to stay the hell out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by XC700116
Why? Unless us, their partner still has a libido after marriage.Quote:
Originally Posted by lex137
The way I see is if they wanna plug each other in the butt, that is cool with me.
Just dont try to teach my children that an alternative lifestyle style is the way to go. Like public school has been trending toward these days. Barry butthole is just trying to be a political saviour again.
1. It's not purely a religious notion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
2.It's not up to the government, it's up to the people. (excluding abuse of powers)
3. Marriage is for building families,
Families for building nations.
Homosexaulity is for what now?
Pursuit of happinessQuote:
Originally Posted by Jumpstart
That's quite a broad stroke. Is that why they like to be called "gay"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
Please tell me how it negatively affects you for two men to get an arbitrary piece of paper that says they are together?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumpstart
Before this thread spirals out of control I would just like to say that those who would take away the rights of the minority by forcing their views on them via vote deserve to see the same when it comes to things they enjoy. Just because 51% of people say something is so doesn't make it so. You are not the morality police and neither is the government, a nation of HOA boardmembers is what we've become it seems.
Well said, TS12000.
Part 1. Tell me why it is necessary for two men to get an arbitrary piece of paper that says they are together?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
Part 2. Devaluation of real marriages = Divorces >children hurt > crime rates higher single family homes> teen pregnancy > higher drug use > moral decay > breakdown of societies.
Hence marriage needs valuation in our times, not devaluation.
HUGE +1Quote:
Originally Posted by TS12000
not my thing, but its not MY business what other consenting adults do.
Part 1: Tell me why it is necessary for a man and a women to get an arbitrary piece of paper that says they are together?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumpstart
And why is it necessary for a man and a woman to get that piece of paper? Devaluation of marriage? What are traditional marriages averaging these days. 40% success rate? Shit, they can't do much worse than that.
Well, why has it been necessary for hundreds of years? All those reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmleadr03
I am so very torn on this subject.
1- I am all for personal freedoms, if that is the life that one wishes then so be it. Just don't expect me to accept it as "normal" and don't you dare think you deserve anything exceptional or "protected class" status.
2-Marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman.
3-Adoption-Bullshit. It takes a man and a woman to make a child and it takes a man and a woman to raise a child. I sincerely feel that a child in a gay marriage is set up to fail. The additional stresses it places on a child must be tremendous.
We have seen historically that a large amount of children that commit serious crimes come from dysfunctional families. Seriously, how much more dysfunctional than wife and wife or husband and husband can you get?
What is the worst part is the clear indicator that this is a further degradation of the very fiber of our society, morals.
Without morals there is no right or wrong.
I think this is by design, one way to weaken a strong county and society is to destroy the basis of said society.
Destroy the traditional family, destroy the morals of society and you have a society that is very easily influenced and manipulated.
Perfect Marxist strategy.
Your marriage is already in trouble if gays getting to use a word put yours into a tailspin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumpstart
So the government can get money out of you with a license.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumpstart