Hi guys,
My dad wants to send me a .22 rifle and we have never shipped a firearm before. Does it have to go to a FFL or can he just put it in a box and ship it UPS? The rifle is registered in my name btw...
Thanks for the help!
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Hi guys,
My dad wants to send me a .22 rifle and we have never shipped a firearm before. Does it have to go to a FFL or can he just put it in a box and ship it UPS? The rifle is registered in my name btw...
Thanks for the help!
BTW, my dad lives in CA if that makes a difference...
I believe that because it is being shipped that it will have to go through an FFL.. I could be wrong though.
It's your rifle right? it's not transfering owners, right?
no problem.
(and this is where I would look for something 'official' as I don't want to get you into any trouble...we are dealing with CA and the BATF here)
Yes, it is my rifle and not transferring owners.
sending a long gun from yourself TO yourself is not against ATF laws
however if you have it registered in CA. transffering it getting it off the CA DOJ role might be different.
when i travel if i don't want to lug the rifle to check in baggage i u.p.s. it from me to me (in care of) C.O xxxx whoevers place i am staying at.
I bought this rifle for my dad many years ago (~10) when we both lived in CA. He has never shot it so he offered to give it back to me. So if I have him put it in a box and label it from me going to me I should be okay then? And I don't understand the transfering it off the CA DOJ role comment, can you explain?
There's your second problem....Quote:
Originally Posted by Atrain
Why?Quote:
There's your second problem....
My only recommendation would be to have your father contact a local CA FFL. The dealer would know exact legal requirements and options regarding your scenario for shipment/transfer since you are the CA registered owner and would also not be the actual shipper.
Following from ATF FAQ may help... maybe not.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b7
(B7) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?[Back]
A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier? [Back]
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]
(B9) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity? [Back]
Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.
You are no longer a resident of CA. You and your dad would be breaking the law all so you can save $20 and some time by not using a Colorado transfer dealer.
The ship to yourself thing is commonly used when you are traveling, but otherwise, no. You admitted that you transferred it to your dad as a gift and now you want him to transfer it back to you - not as a transaction between current CA residents, but as a transaction between residents of a different state that just happen to be related.
The law says that the sender has to declare the package as a firearm to the carrier and that it can contain no outside markings to indicate that it contains a firearm. Most carriers will ask if the recipient or sender is a FFL or if the shipment falls into one of the narrowly defined exceptions to the GCA. Right there, you've put your dad in a spot. If he declares it, then the carrier may ask about the FFL thing and given the exception you're using, why aren't you there to fill out the shipping documents? Note that he can't just drop it off at the local UPS/FedEx Kinkos store. The policy of both carriers requires that it be sent from one of their counter locations or picked up by one of their employees.
You're putting him in a bad situation of violating the GCA and technically committing mail fraud by making false statements to the carrier.
Can you get away with this? Almost certainly. But you asked if it was legal.
Thanks for the posts guys...I'll check with a CA FFL to get accurate details. Hopefully, on my next trip to visit my parents, I can just ship it back to myself.
If you are going to go back and visit why not just take the rifle with you when you come back simple enough. [wink]
The thought of taking a rifle through the airport with a wife and two small kids and dealing with the TSA goons sounds like a bad time.
It's not, You just put it in your check in baggage and declare it, Don't listen to the tin foil hat people.
Or wait until you are in CA and then ship it back to yourself here
That should be fine...
After all...if i (legally) ship the rifle to myself in another state I can certainly send it back to myself when I return
you don't deal with any "goons" you get as far as the checkin counter. baggage checker ask you to open lockable case. they inspect to make sure there is no ammo. i use aopen bolt marker (yellow) to show an empty chamber. mags seperate area of case. you fill out paperwork they hand you a tag. you relock the case and then deal with TSA. it's too easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atrain
^^ just like he said, get a hard sided gun case, LOCK it, declare it, etc.... you will have no problem.
PSQuote:
Originally Posted by Atrain
<<< TSA goon at COS :mrgreen:
Wait..uh...I meant to say TSA cool...guys...Quote:
<<< TSA goon at COS
I think I see a ( _ )_ ) search in my future [shock2] squeel!
Thanks again for the info guys...see you soon Phloater :roll:
I never knew you were one of the TSA goons, I mean ur eh, ummmm, a TSA employeee. :mrgreen: I know a lady that works with you. Jennifer. Tall blonde in early to mid 20's. Karl.