I need advice on a trade...

Hey guys, I've just been offered a trade for my Bushie Carbon 15 9mm pistol by a gentleman on another website, and wanted your opinions of it. I've got two questions:

#1 - does it seem like a good trade to you? It does to me, but there could be something I'm missing.

#2 - Are CETME parts interchangeable with G3/HK91 parts? If I took the trade, I'd probably be wanting to swap out/mod some parts. I owned a CETME before once, but ended up selling it and regretting it. I realize Century isn't the best company in the world for quality, but I also have a JLD PTR-91, so it would probably just be a knocking around fun gun.

Here's what he's offering me in trade...

"I have the following package deal to
propose that I think will interest you:

-CETME G3 clone (guessing less than 300 rounds fired) - This rifle
shoots great and is in excellent
condition. I have yet to have a FTF or FTE from it. I am the
second owner. Previous owner
replaced the cheap plastic stocks with the much nicer wood ones.
-5 original steel CETME mags (curved)
-2 new in Wrap HK steel mags (straight)
-HK sling
-New CETME sight tool
-New CETME manual
-New spare firing pin spring
-275 rounds non-corrosive military ball ammo
and...
-Smith and Wesson M&P Model 10 38 Spl - This is now collectible as it
was a former RHKP (Royal
Hong Kong Police) issue police weapon. It shoots great and still
has the lanyard ring intact."

Thanks in advance for your input guys!

At best a CETME is $300 new. So unless the model 10 appaises at $500-$600, Not really worth it, IMO, even with the mags and other stuff. If I remember right, there are a few parts that interchange but not all.

If I could find a Cetme for $300, I'd jump on it! Who's selling them for $300? Maybe I don't need the trade. :)

Hmmm, I have seen in Shotgun News every once in awhile, Of corse If You ask nice, I have one with 9 or 10 mags I might part with for about that.

Whoohoo!! Even better! Pretty pretty please with a Sierra Matchking .308 on top? lol. Ok, that's even too corny for me. I would LOVE to purchase your Cetme - when would you be available to meet? Then I could keep my Carbon 15 AND have a Cetme truck gun! This feels like my birthday! :) Seriously though, I would jump at the chance to buy yours for around that price range - how much exactly do you want for it? I can meet any time Thurs, Fri, or Sat, and am willing to drive pretty much anywhere in the northern half of the state to get to you. (I drove up to Vail a while ago to get the Carbon 15, so that shows my dedication. lol.)

PM Sent.

Caliber,

Beware CETME's by Century. I have one and it is fine, but I know some owners who haven't been so lucky. IE: headspacing is set piss poor, extractors springs are weak, etc. Parts are cheap though.

Most, but not all parts, are interchangeable. Go to http://www.cetmerifles.com/forum/index.php
and get the full skinny. I put a HK wide forearm stock on mine and it took a little "modifying".

HK mags don't work in mine, the mag catch is not the same (?), the mag doesn't insert fully, and the bolt can't capture the rim of the round. Might be just mine, I dunno.

If Marlin sells you his for that price (which is good, the typical price is $400 +), better than one sight unseen and not inspected. Just my 2 cents.

CETME's suck

Imight have to agree with john T :P

Yeah, But, They're lovable. :mrgreen:

no
They suck
You'll hate .308's if your introduction is a CETME
a G3 is actually a pretty good one (not my fav, but decent)
But the CETME is a POS

Never had a problem with mine. :P

Well
There ya go
You can either take advice from an imaginary magician who lived when there were no firearms [poke]
or

The Survivialist

You know, just in case you didn't know which way to go. :roll:

Meaning What?

I have a hard time understanding how a CETME is a POS, but a G3 is not, as they are essentially the same rifle.....

HEY! I want a CETME!

of course I already have my M1 and M1A [pirate]

not to mention my 700PSS in .308 :mrgreen:

Merlin, was an imaginary magician. A Marlin is a sporting fish.

I thought Merlin was a Sorcerer.

And Marlin was a rifle :mrgreen:

I was just about to point that out - dang it, AR Will beat me to it. :)

I owned a Cetme before once and had fun playing around with it. It had a tendency to light-strike the primers, but that might have been the soft commercial .308 ammo I was using. I've heard they like mil-surp 7.62x51 ammo better. Would I bet my life on it? No. I've got the PTR-91 for a nice reliable 20 round .308 battle rifle. Will the Cetme provide hours of fun in the dirt and brush, without me worrying about tearing up a $1000.00 rifle? Sure. :)

G3 =HK german centme=spainish,I think,
just relate it to cars ,the Hk's are worth there weight, 300 is cheep but buy a HK ,or a FAL ,DSA,or an armlight ,never seen anthing but problems with a centme [postal]

I called Merl....Merlin once when I mixed him and Marlin are you pokeing fun of me. [confused] [roll]

The fish and the rifle are way cooler than a guy in a dress. [roll]

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Originally Posted by cedrick

G3 =HK german centme=spainish,I think,
just relate it to cars ,the Hk's are worth there weight, 300 is cheep but buy a HK ,or a FAL ,DSA,or an armlight ,never seen anthing but problems with a centme [postal]

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I typically wouldn't have a problem with that rationale, but as alot of people have CHINESE AK's, that arguement doesn't hold water.

The CETME was developed in Spain by a herm, and then licensed for manufacture by the Germans. Same rifle without the pain in the arse rear elevation turret and the $2000 HK stamp in the steel.

Have you shot both?

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Originally Posted by AR Will

Merlin, was an imaginary magician. A Marlin is a sporting fish.

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oh dammit
you're right
and I'm a dumbass [red foreman voice]

shoot both hk smooth centme grinding with metal flakes too cleanout , I ve shot chinese and russian ,and egyptian like them all ,though not much into the mack 90s

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Originally Posted by JohnTRourke

Have you shot both?

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Yes I have, Bundeswehr issue G3 in 1993, and I own a Cetme. They are the same....

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I have a hard time understanding how a CETME is a POS, but a G3 is not, as they are essentially the same rifle.....

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The CETME has Century Arms involved somewhere. "Getting it wrong" describes basically everything Century does.

I used to own a FAL. It was an StG-58 kit on an Imbel GL receiver, which in English means it should be an excellent rifle. However, Century found a way to hork it up such that I had FTEs with a wide variety of loads, even with the gas system all the way open.

I ended up trading it away for about fifty bucks more than the going price of the receiver.

If they can do that to the FAL, they can certainly screw up a perfectly good HK derivation.

The HK91/G3, again, is a CETME copy. Not vice versa.

While Century's quality control isn't great, most of these rifle's aren't bad, or else people would be flooding gunboards and pawn shops with them. I have one personally, and the only "problem" I have is it will not take HK mags.

I am sure Marlin would not sell a POS, Caliber is looking for a beater, and the CETME fits the bill. And as a bonus, it cost just as little as an AK, but far more accurate and powerful (not as realiable, I'll give ya that). If something does to go crap, parts are cheap.

If you had FTE on a FAL, you should have to close the gas ports, not open them.

Damn Brian someone piss in your wheaties or what?

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The HK91/G3, again, is a CETME copy. Not vice versa.

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I stand corrected about who borrowed whose design after Germany wasn't allowed to license the FAL.

I had the problem through the entire range of gas adjustment. How could Century manage that with a presumably in-spec receiver and probably the best parts kit out there?

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Originally Posted by The1andOnlyKC

Damn Brian someone piss in your wheaties or what?

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No, he just proves that people shouldn't take opinions seriously, as opinions are like arseholes. I'll believe my real world experience first...

Centrarchidae, the problem probably may have been your receiver, and was probably more the trained monkey who put it together. FALs, like an M1A, aren't as forgiving with their machined receivers and tighter tolerances, unlike an AK or HK/CETME. Explains why DSA pulls 1K + for theirs. I do agree that Century does throw shat together, as the Century FAL I owned was a bastardized Century reciever with British and Imbel parts. It still went "boom" when I pulled the trigger though!