Just heard on the radio.
Maybe, maybe not. No one really knows right now.
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Just heard on the radio.
Maybe, maybe not. No one really knows right now.
Retracted.
Mods, can you close or merge with "Health Care Unconstitutional" Thread?
MOD EDIT: Merged the threads together for you.
I walked by SCOTUS on the way into the office this morning. I get the feeling that there is going to be a rumble in the streets.
Dang, same time, different thread.
Fuck, I obviously heard that wrong. Individual mandate beign held up?
My *VERY* quick read: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read.
I just read that the mandate was struck down
[Updated at 10:06 a.m. ET] In a landmark decision that will impact the nation for decades, the Supreme Court on Thursday struck down a key provision of President Barack Obama's health care law, ruling that requiring people to have health insurance violates the Constitution.
I don't know what's going on... I've heard i was upheld, struck down, the individual mandate will become a tax...
Somebody's reporting that everything was upheld.
I am listening right now on the radio and it sounds like only the medicare penalties are being struck down.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghettodub
mixed reports out there, wtf
The whole law has passed SCOTUS intact.
Fuck.
Quote:
Our precedent demonstrates that Congress had the power to impose the exaction in Section 5000A under the taxing power, and that Section 5000A need not be read to do more than impose a tax. This is sufficient to sustain it.
Mandate = tax = upheld. Scotusblog.com
Incredible that every news source is reporting something different right now. Awesome journalism in this country...
[Updated at 10:15 a.m. ET] The Supreme Court has upheld the entire health care law by a vote of 5 to 4, Supreme Court Producer Bill Mears said. That includes the medicare provisionQuote:
Originally Posted by Sharpienads
not what the AP is saying.
"WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court has upheld the individual insurance requirement at the heart of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul. The court on Thursday handed Obama a campaign-season victory in rejecting arguments that Congress went too far in requiring most Americans to have health insurance or pay a penalty."
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghettodub
But I heard the majority opinion from Chief Roberts and he said the mandate is a tax and therefore constitutional.
Fuck.
We're all screwed. The entire thing was upheld
Europe here we come.
Unreal..Well there you have it, the constitution is no more....:(
fucking thing passed
Damn, we really did post it exactly the same time! Yours is better written, but I was driving down I25 when I posted. LOL!
It was upheld as a TAX.
If there's any silver lining, it's that SCOTUS stopped the feds from using the commerce clause as a tool to pass whatever they wanted.
yup, upheldQuote:
Originally Posted by yankeefan98121
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waywardson174
Roberts? Dang.
Kenndey's opening line:Too bad it didn't holdQuote:
In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety.
The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.
I have a feeling this mess is not over yet.
If you want to read the ruling: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...11-393c3a2.pdf
WARNING: If you read Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, and Alito's dissent you will want to start shooting people in the streets.
Amazing that they couldn't see that only the people who pay taxes....will be paying the taxes. We are so screwed. This just opens up more doors for socialist agenda.
What's that? All Illegals get it before American Citizens?Quote:
except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding.
Decisions like this and the Connecticut eminent domain case (Kelo?) that said a commercial developer can take your home leads me to believe we cannot depend on the courts to prevent utter tyrrany. The best defense are those firearms in the safe...
Singlestack
Largest tax increase in history? Wonder if Romney can do something with that...
America is dead.
We are no longer citizens, we are subjects.
We just crossed Claire Wolfe's line.
Doesn't matter if obamacare get repealed, the precedent is now set, the federal government owns us and we own nothing.
I can't believe Roberts voted this way!!!
Essentially the court is not all that conservative. It just loves the power of the state. Roberts had a real history with this before his nomination. There might be small consolation that the commerce clause isn't as universal as it used to be. Calling it a tax might also play well in the election.
I'd had doubts that it would survive. I really expected it to be struck down as an overreach. This would be legal at the state level. The state does all sorts of mandates. OTOH, the individual mandate had been a Republican idea until recently so I wondered about the Bush judges. The Democraps had just wanted it to be state giveaways and Republicans saw it as individual responsibility.
Steve
Try Bolshivik Soviet Union with the current regime in power that admire the Chinese system with no dissenting powers in government. What next Barrack's 5 year plan to move us forward in our cultural revolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by bogman2121
WELCOME TO CANADA!!!! Let's replace the stars on the flags with little maple leafs......
No you need to elect people that believe in Originalism and love the Constitution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Singlestack