http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266310,00.html
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This is a bad one - 22 dead.
whats up with these contradictions in the story
Prayers headed out to alot of families today.Quote:
The school's Web site earlier said one shooter was in custody and officials searched for a second shooter as "part of routine police procedure," but during the press conference Monday, police said they believe there was only one shooter.
Police also said there is no evidence the two shootings at opposite ends of campus were related.
-2C
ya this one is bad... the numbers gone up to 32 now... worst in the country
Another reason to arm teachers and staff... but i doubt that'll happen
I go to college atm and i know how vulnerable we really are in schools, we have one cop on campus but by the time he could even respond the incedent would have had a chance to occour. Even at that one cop isnt enough for an entire college, because what happens if the shooter takes him out first? Than the college is completly armless untill more help arrives.
The bad guys will always carry stuff into schools when they want to do somthing like this and the reason they are so vulnerable is because of the fact that no one is allowed to legally be armed in such facilities... I understand maybee students shouldnt be allowed to carry but what i dont understand is why professors and other faculty cant be armed...
More ammo for the dems to take our guns..
My prayers go out to all involved... :cry:
Tis a sad day...
Prayers go out to the families who will now have a void forever...
Fodder indeed for anti-gun lobby...
Very sad; they will be included in our prayers.
You don't kill 32 and wound 28 with a pistol if the people are running all over the place. I'm so tired of this "lock down" mentality. Do what your instincts tell you...fight or flight. If you didn't bring a gun to the gun fight, run like your life depends on it. The kids that ran at Columbine were the survivors. The ones that had adults follow the "lock down" recommendation had their heads messed with before they were executed.
If law-abiding people are allowed to arm themselves, the body count would be nowhere near this.
The only positive I can take from this is that there's a chance I will no longer have to hear the phrase "Columbine style attack".
You can't explain the irrational and the unexplainable, so you can be assured that the libtards will blame the guns.
ETA: ABC is trying to use the opportunity to run a poll question about gun control in relation to this shooting. Feel free to vote "no" and take away ammo that would feed their agenda.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/BeSeenBeHeard/popup?id=3046132
remember, the only person the anti-gun laws helped in this situation is the CRIMINAL that commited the crime.
or to put it another way...
anti-gun laws helped kill those people today.
the anti's and their "feel good" laws do nothing but kill people, every freakin time.
A student used his cell-phone camera to record the sound of bullets echoing through a stone building
why wasn't he/she using there cell phone to tell the po-po were this guy was at. :idea:
I like how everyone goes off half cocked when something like this happens. People should always try to hold off blame until all the info comes in. Blaming the police, campus or real is ridiculous at this point. The police say they had a person of interest involved in the 1st shooting being questioned at the time of the second shooting. The figured they had a domestic problem with the first shooting and can would you think otherwise? A man and woman shot and killed. I imagine in that scenario, the majority of the time, it's a love triangle thing.
What pisses me off is the whole world knows that school campus' are like shooting fish in a barrel. "NO FIREARMS ALLOWED ON CAMPUS" Then the antigunners will say see evil guns gotta grab 'em. No is it weren't for your BS laws and regulations, maybe a professor would have had a gun. Maybe a 21 year old student would have had a gun.
But my real anger is at the media. No need to sensationalize with their words. This is the biggest story without the sensational words. Fussilodge(sp?) Salvo of gunshots. Campus catastrophe. Massacre. I'd break Geraldo's f*ckin nose again, if I run into him. He interrupts the interview to throw in those words. Media whores. Report the news, don't make it bigger then it already is. It's already horrible and won't be topped by the Attorney General firing lawyers.
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by robsterclaw
Someone said the campus is over 2,000 acres. Thats over 3 square miles with some 25,000 people on it. It's like a town. You don't shut down a town and tell everyone to hide when some guy shoots his ex. It's too early to Monday morning quarterback with hindsight we don't have.
If everyone was armed, I doubt this would have happened, at least to this extent.
My two thoughts to add on this. First, it appears to be a perfect example of the liberal approach to everything paraphrased as "rely on government for everything, including your own personal protection". We're conditioning a nation of sheep who won't take personal action to protect themselves. I just listened to the news interviewing a number of the students. They all hid behind their desks for "it went on for over a minute and a half" listening to the shooter shooting before moving to another classroom. Nobody thought to throw a desk or chair at the gunman in self defense. As somebody else pointed out, nobody ran, they didn't charge the gunman - they all hit the ground and waited to be shot.
Second thought, the news clearly was setting up the renewal of the AWB. On NBC they showed a little vignette that showed a pistol, ejected the magazine and said the previous AWB restricted magazines carrying over 10 rounds but now a "larger caliber, 9mm" can hold up to 19. Of course this after already making the point that the shooter reloaded several times and was carrying spare magazine in "something". Look for belts and vests capable of hiding spare magazines to be banned next.
Lots of new info but just think how the dean is going to feel when this gets around. He is already in hot water for the "we thought he had left" remark.
Gun bill gets shot down by panel
HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.
By Greg Esposito
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A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.
House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.
The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.
Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill.
Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."
The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.
Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.
In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.
I mean no disrespect to the lives lost and there familys and friends. My heart goes out to them and they are in my prayers but, After reading some of the comments posted on the ABC news Blog about how guns are killig people. So i posted this on their site. I've come to the conclusion that the bullets are to blame not the Guns! The gun takes another slap in the face today when a couple of strays were found in the same area as a deceased courier. It was reported that the guns did all the killing when in fact it was the bullets that were at fault. It was reported that many bullets were at the scene. This group of bullets belong to two very different gangs, the 22’s and the 9mm’s. As everyone knows bullets are very intelligent and can easily persuade the human brain to obey their every command. The gangs were able to manipulate a young host to carry out there devious plan. FMJ & HP the leaders of the gangs used there mental telepathy to talk to the host. They first instructed the host to provide them with transportation, and magazines were in order. Secondly the bullets needed a launching pad and something to take the blame. The gun was the perfect choice. After all it’s been taking the blame for years. The bullets wanted to use Box Cutters but, nobody in there right mind would of believed them. So the dirty deed was carried out and performed exactly as planed. The gun took the rap and the host was considered a nut job that was hearing voices.
I am sure we will see a host of new anti gun legislation by the end of the week...hell I bet well actually hear from the left that President Bush was behind all this so we would focus on something other then Iraq and Attorney Generals. [bsflag]
This is what I posted today on Myspace and Facebook. I've already seen it reposted four times on Myspace, and I posted it as a note and on a group on Facebook, and one guy said he reposted it a bunch of times (with me credited as author, of course). Feel free to repost.
edit: Outstanding 500th post for me.Quote:
At least 32 people died today at the hand of a single gunman at Virginia Tech. This is the single most deadly shooting of any kind in US history, much less a school shooting. The previous records were held by the University of Texas shooting in 1966 and of course Columbine in 1999.
As best we know so far, the single gunman chained building doors shut so nobody could escape and then methodically murdered students and faculty classroom by classroom, apparently execution-style. No one had any chance or means to resist or fight back. The motive of the shooter is unknown at this point, but the results of his actions are all too clear.
Some will attempt to point to this incident as a reason for more gun control. However, this man clearly ignored the laws we have that prohibit murder, so why should we believe that he would even notice laws that say he couldn't take a gun onto campus? Those same laws prohibited students, including those who were killed by this madman, from legally carrying concealed weapons on campus. If only one or two students had been armed, it's quite likely that this massacre could have been stopped far earlier than it was.
Last January, HB 1572 died in subcommittee in the Virginia State Legislature. This bill would have allowed legal concealed carry permit holders to carry on campus. I quote from The Roanoke Times article of January 31, 2006:
"Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. 'I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.'"
Well, Larry, I hope you and the students and staff that died today "felt safe" after being barred from defending themselves on your campus. I hope you're happy that those evil guns were removed from campus, even though that's what it takes to stop an armed shooter. I hope you realize that the only people who obeyed your anti-gun campus laws are the innocent folks who were murdered in cold blood today.
Folks, this cannot be allowed. Don't let the mainstream media fool you into thinking that this crime today could have been prevented by more gun control. The only way it could have been stopped earlier than it was is if students, possibly like you and me, were allowed the means to defend themselves on campus. The only real option the people who were locked in their classrooms with the gunman had was to kneel down and hope that he didn't shoot them. This is unacceptable. Push for freedom to protect yourself on campus and everywhere else, because sometimes you are your last line of defense.
Repost this if you believe in the right of those who died today to defend themselves.
Roanoke Times article: http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658
Larry Hincker's email: hincker@vt.edu
host of new anti gun legislation
The police, no matter how well trained, can never get to an incident like this in time to do anything but count the bodies. Those that introduce more restrictive gun control laws in response to this aren't thinking clearly.
I suppose everyone on this forum already understands that, so I don't know why I bother posting this.
Mrs. hupp gets into it with a brady bunch jackass and does a great job.
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_vi...ml?id=2693358n
I'm saving up for one before the libs ban them!
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o...untitled-7.jpg
Local news is gonna have a poll today asking if we should blame the shooter or the gun laws: myfoxcolorado.com I didn't hotlink I hope...
Nope, you didn't hotlink, but I don't see the poll up yet.
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Originally Posted by Aardvark
it's a bit more complicated than a two choice answer.
the person(I'm being generous) who did the shooting is above all other "explanations", the only one responsible for the shooting.
the fact that there were "laws" against this kind of thing didn't stop the perp from committing the act, making those 'laws' pointless.
there were also 'laws' keeping people from the ability to properly arm and defend themselves. The 'law' makers and the ones who made them happen are responsible in that regard.
"feeling safe" doesn't make it so, obviously.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/?GT1=9246
looks like glock 19 and a walther p22
Edit, probly a g26
It was a G19. The Rocky did a little "fact" sheet on the two guns this morning (Wednesday), and naturally they fu**ed it all up. Fucking reporters can't get anything right, especially if getting it wrong helps their anti-gun agenda. :roll:
Another poll trying to stir up the muck;
http://men.msn.com/articlepollgc.asp...32850>1=9311
Dirty word alert! Hey where's those editors that are supposed to be watching these post to keep them clean? Check out the previous post by Asha'man. You let one slip through the cracks! :evil: :twisted: :-x
what are you takin'bout ? :twisted:
I think this is a good article from WND.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55326Quote:
Death toll limited before campus gun ban
5 years ago, shooter subdued by armed students
These are the 2 law school students mentioned in Nugent's piece.
We need to stop the insanity of "Gun free, high body count" schools.
Thats all I have to say. :evil:
Fred Thompson, NRO: Signs of Intelligence?
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Whenever I've seen one of those "Gun-free Zone" signs, especially outside of a school filled with our youngest and most vulnerable citizens, I've always wondered exactly who these signs are directed at. Obviously, they don't mean much to the sort of man who murdered 32 people just a few days ago.