Bug out in progress

Ok here's the deal You co-ar board member have everything packed and you are on the road. BOL is area X 1/2 way there the 2 lane road you're on is jammed tighter than, well you figure it out. What's plan B. Do you hump it on foot say the 20ish miles over moderate to rough terrain, dealing with everyone else, not to mention the newly formed pack of predators? Is everyone in your party capable of walking that distance, are your shtf items too much to carry, along with all the other shit you now have to leave behind?
How bad did Plan A got to sh$%^t and can you pause long enough to go to Plan B, OR are you realistically screwed just like everyone else on that road?
Should you have had better back up plans, stayed home or moved to another area with like minded folks etc, etc.

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Originally Posted by jim

Ok here's the deal You co-ar board member have everything packed and you are on the road. BOL is area X 1/2 way there the 2 lane road you're on is jammed tighter than, well you figure it out. What's plan B. Do you hump it on foot say the 20ish miles over moderate to rough terrain, dealing with everyone else, not to mention the newly formed pack of predators? Is everyone in your party capable of walking that distance, are your shtf items too much to carry, along with all the other shit you now have to leave behind?
How bad did Plan A got to sh$%^t and can you pause long enough to go to Plan B, OR are you realistically screwed just like everyone else on that road?
Should you have had better back up plans, stayed home or moved to another area with like minded folks etc, etc.

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Physically i am capable as are the 2 people that would come with me. the dog will run a 5 k anyday of the week and she has her own backpack to carry food and some other supplies if needed.

IF Plan A goes to shit than it means that i did not beat the main rush out like i need to and it comes back on me. I employ a bag with in a bag concept with the last ditch carry pack weighing in at 50 lbs. no firearms will be left behind in the car but the house will have some leave behinds where i hope for the best.

predators... I will put up a hell of a fight but it will take some luck. and always more training which i am working on.

Knowing your stove up Jim what are your plans if you have no other option.

I'll have a dirtbike on the back of my truck

All areas to the sides of the roads to my BOL are flat.

I Bug in. That being said I work a long ways from home. My truck is decently capable and I'm a decent driver off terrain. There are only a few select locations where I could not go around any trouble.

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Originally Posted by DFBrews

Physically i am capable as are the 2 people that would come with me. the dog will run a 5 k anyday of the week and she has her own backpack to carry food and some other supplies if needed.

IF Plan A goes to shit than it means that i did not beat the main rush out like i need to and it comes back on me. I employ a bag with in a bag concept with the last ditch carry pack weighing in at 50 lbs. no firearms will be left behind in the car but the house will have some leave behinds where i hope for the best.

predators... I will put up a hell of a fight but it will take some luck. and always more training which i am working on.

Knowing your stove up Jim what are your plans if you have no other option.

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We are standing our ground. My house for some reason has been designated ground zero. This is where everyone who is able will assemble and make preparations to hold for the long haul. Can we, who knows will we, at all cost yes. Everyone involved plays a part regarding the overall success / survival of the group. Why move from secure areas unless it becomes absolutely necessary. What determines that necessity, who knows? Train derailment, gov roundup, hordes of have nots wanting in, etc. If i had a crystal ball to see what we will need to survive, i wouldn't need the internet. I would be the matrix :)

Yours is the designated rally point because my place sucks. [Beer]

I've looked to see how close I can get to my BOL by following rail road tracks. I think only within 50 miles or so.

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Originally Posted by jim

We are standing our ground. My house for some reason has been designated ground zero. This is where everyone who is able will assemble and make preparations to hold for the long haul. Can we, who knows will we, at all cost yes. Everyone involved plays a part regarding the overall success / survival of the group. Why move from secure areas unless it becomes absolutely necessary. What determines that necessity, who knows? Train derailment, gov roundup, hordes of have nots wanting in, etc. If i had a crystal ball to see what we will need to survive, i wouldn't need the internet. I would be the matrix :)

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[Beer]

Hopefully in time

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Originally Posted by jmg8550

Yours is the designated rally point because my place sucks. [Beer]

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+1 [Coffee]

I can drive pretty much anywhere, I drive no sissy car and I am locked and winch ready; however depending on the scenario I would stay in until deamed not safe or until the initial idiots have screwed them self and then plot driving across prairie to my heading.

Staying home.

If I must leave, Old school GMC K3500 hopefully could get me around some of the mess, if not off the road far enough other turds can't get to me and I stop. Protect myself the best I can.

With the age of my kiddos I'm bugging in.

But to answer your scenario, if traffic is log jamed, and I got the fam, Dirty Max is running ditches and fields.

Ain't skeered! [ROFL1]

As said before, I ll be bugging in and take out as many zombies as I could so your slow ass can get to your BOL. [Peep]

2 small kiddos for me so home is where I will be. I have no location to head to other than a friends family ranch in Trinidad.
His pops said load the gear and head down, e knows my mindset and is aware we'd be an asset to help protect what he has and help keep it functioning, problem is it would have to be really bad to leave what I have and by then of course it may be too late.

due to the amount of supplies I would be wanting to take I think I would rather take my chance with my supplies at home and if things did not blow over in a reasonable amount of time and start returning to normal, then it would be time to load up whats left and make the trek hoping that the secondary roads were still going and that maybe a lot of the have nots have already taken each other out lowering the threat.

biggest problem would be govt road block type scenarios that would be impassible, would need somebody on a scope to scan the distance and travel very wide of the main roads to hopefully skirt those hazards.

if in the traffic jamb the edges of the road would become the new road.
biggest concern would be what is causing the blockage.
If need be it is planned to be backpacks, a 3 wheel jogging stroller and a wagon. All the weopons gear and as much of everythig else.

the motorcycle is a good idea too but tough with little kids, maybe a ATV with trailer or a UTV 4 seater with a roof mounted SAW [M2]

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Originally Posted by jim

Ok here's the deal You co-ar board member have everything packed and you are on the road. BOL is area X 1/2 way there the 2 lane road you're on is jammed tighter than, well you figure it out. What's plan B. Do you hump it on foot say the 20ish miles over moderate to rough terrain, dealing with everyone else, not to mention the newly formed pack of predators? Is everyone in your party capable of walking that distance, are your shtf items too much to carry, along with all the other shit you now have to leave behind?
How bad did Plan A got to sh$%^t and can you pause long enough to go to Plan B, OR are you realistically screwed just like everyone else on that road?
Should you have had better back up plans, stayed home or moved to another area with like minded folks etc, etc.

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This is exactly what I anticipate since I work downtown. My bugout location is my home. If there is an exodus from the metro area, I expect to abandon my commuter vehicle at some point (start point is 40 miles from home). I have the necessary survival items, season appropriate clothing & boots, an 870 with 25 slugs & 25 00, PT92 with 5 mags & 100rds, CCW pistol and food & water (+purification) for three days. I can certainly make the hike, but I am going up to 9000ft so it will take time especially as I avoid the “predators”. However, time is critical as long as my home rests undefended. As long as I am able to hunt and cut wood, I can live at my home without refreshing supplies for a long long time; I have all the basic necessities naturally to include water, shelter, timber, and game. After my initial supplies run out, I can keep going indefinitely depending on health.

Has anyone considered the possibility that after a few weeks, live game that is presently available to hunt, is likely to be scarce if not entirely gone? There's a lot of folks out there with guns, and they'll be hunting game left and right. Those animals you see today, won't likely be there after a few weeks of broken supply chains and hungry populations. Imagine a hunting season without a quota and X times as many hunters....

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Originally Posted by MED

PT92 with 5 mags & 100rds, CCW pistol

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consider replacing the Taurus with something reliable

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Originally Posted by Wulf202

consider replacing the Taurus with something reliable

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Define reliable? …bias or test results?

I tested it with 1000 rounds (so far) of lead reloads without a malfunction and it feeds the hollow points without issue…extremely ammo type friendly. I personally like the platform and I am extremely familiar with it(over two decades of using them); the one I have has the accessory rail. I am growing my familiarity with the striker fire pistols, but I still don’t like them as much as the 92, Hi-Power, and 1911. I have several striker fire, DA, and SA semi-autos in my safe to choose from and this is the one I like to store in the trunk of my car (it works for me when needed, the rounds count is kept low, and I really don’t care what happens to it). If I tested it with problems, I would have trashed it.

Incidentally and although not exactly the same, of all the pistols I own or have owned, I only have one that has never malfunctioned in the 22 years I owned it, my 92F. Personally, I really like the trigger and safety on the Taurus much better.

Edit: My CCW is different...you had it quoted together with my survival pack pistol.

Taurus makes junk. their internals that should be machined are cast or worse plastic.

I gave a loaded pt145 to a secretary who snapped the trigger off. this was the first of 3 times that Taurus broke. and yes I've broken pt92 a raging bull and a tracker. also a Ruger blackhawk. p22 walther and a colt series 80. also seen the xd catastrophic failure.

I seem to be a pistol crash test dummy.

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Originally Posted by Sawin

Has anyone considered the possibility that after a few weeks, live game that is presently available to hunt, is likely to be scarce if not entirely gone? There's a lot of folks out there with guns, and they'll be hunting game left and right. Those animals you see today, won't likely be there after a few weeks of broken supply chains and hungry populations. Imagine a hunting season without a quota and X times as many hunters....

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Has occured to me, and I have the following thoughts-

A> A VERY large percentage of our population has not a clue about how animals are food, or how to make animals into food. I believe most of the sheeple will not resort to the hills and hunting, but instead stick to urban centers hoping for some form of caretaking. I do nothing to discourage this line of thinking.
B> Without King Sooper and Starbucks, the next impulse will be to buy or steal prepared foods- which is why it does not pay to advertise that you are a prepper or have any amount of stored foods- someone will remember.
C> While a lot of people own guns, not all of them know how to hunt and your kidding yourself if you think the animals wont fade into deep cover.

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

Has occured to me, and I have the following thoughts-

A> A VERY large percentage of our population has not a clue about how animals are food, or how to make animals into food. I believe most of the sheeple will not resort to the hills and hunting, but instead stick to urban centers hoping for some form of caretaking. I do nothing to discourage this line of thinking.
B> Without King Sooper and Starbucks, the next impulse will be to buy or steal prepared foods- which is why it does not pay to advertise that you are a prepper or have any amount of stored foods- someone will remember.
C> While a lot of people own guns, not all of them know how to hunt and your kidding yourself if you think the animals wont fade into deep cover.

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I agree with all 3 of these points as well.
A - the ignorance of the masses, is unquestionable. Nevertheless, I pity the ranchers who may start losing their cattle the moment grocers run dry...
B - yep. Only a select few people know what provisions my wife and I have or don't have, and that's intentional. None of them actually know what we have exactly, just that we do canning and have a costco membership. Defending our provisions is a given.
C - No doubt about it. Lots of shooters are not hunters. I know tons of them. My point is not so much that we'd kill them all, but also exactly what you said... they'll "fade into deep cover". Thus, making my point that they're not around anymore.... I'm just saying it's likely that folks can't necessarily expect to rely on "game" to be their primary food source unless a) you're already in a very secluded area and know how to hunt, or b) the majority of folks leave/populations diminish and animals return.

We are already bugged out.

Being that the OP gave us a really good idea of what the roads will be like, I plan to bug in. If I have to bug home under these conditions I have a plan for that as well. My bike a buggy are in my truck at all times and I can ride up to 100 miles in a day.

I think most only see one degree of SHFT, complete chaos. Chaos may come at different levels depending on the situation. Most likely it will come on slowly at first. Most preppers will know long before others will and get a jump on the traffic so being stuck in traffic is something I don't worry too much about.

All that being said, if it goes completely south I'm going out in a blaze of fire. [UZI]

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Originally Posted by Mtn.man

We are already bugged out.

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Originally Posted by SuperiorDG

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Obama supporter?

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

Has occured to me, and I have the following thoughts-

A> A VERY large percentage of our population has not a clue about how animals are food, or how to make animals into food. I believe most of the sheeple will not resort to the hills and hunting, but instead stick to urban centers hoping for some form of caretaking. I do nothing to discourage this line of thinking.
B> Without King Sooper and Starbucks, the next impulse will be to buy or steal prepared foods- which is why it does not pay to advertise that you are a prepper or have any amount of stored foods- someone will remember.
C> While a lot of people own guns, not all of them know how to hunt and your kidding yourself if you think the animals wont fade into deep cover.

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I think where you live might be putting a skew on your perception of Colorado's populace, true Denver is full of the clueless, but pretty much everywhere else is chock full of hunters/gun owners. This place would get very very interesting, very quick, esp. in the places where water isn't easily obtained. The key is water, the food part would be fairly easy.

It all depends on what kind of SHTF your dealing with. Am I the only one that has pre-routed out of country destinations? Face it folks, if it gets that shitty here, New Mexico, Utah, etc. are going to have the same problem. If its isolated inside of the USA, you'll have to leave, or welcome to the new Bosnia! If it is an isolated event (I.e. virus, social unrest) it can probably be out-waited by bugging in. If our country goes 3rd world and tyranical, I'll become the next Russian/German/Brazilian etc.

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Originally Posted by lead_magnet

I think where you live might be putting a skew on your perception of Colorado's populace, true Denver is full of the clueless, but pretty much everywhere else is chock full of hunters/gun owners. This place would get very very interesting, very quick, esp. in the places where water isn't easily obtained. The key is water, the food part would be fairly easy.

It all depends on what kind of SHTF your dealing with. Am I the only one that has pre-routed out of country destinations? Face it folks, if it gets that shitty here, New Mexico, Utah, etc. are going to have the same problem. If its isolated inside of the USA, you'll have to leave, or welcome to the new Bosnia! If it is an isolated event (I.e. virus, social unrest) it can probably be out-waited by bugging in. If our country goes 3rd world and tyranical, I'll become the next Russian/German/Brazilian etc.

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Not me, i'm staying put. i have a hard enough time humping out to the shop,let alone out of state or country. Hope su espanol es bueno

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Originally Posted by jim

Ok here's the deal You co-ar board member have everything packed and you are on the road. BOL is area X 1/2 way there the 2 lane road you're on is jammed tighter than, well you figure it out. What's plan B. Do you hump it on foot say the 20ish miles over moderate to rough terrain, dealing with everyone else, not to mention the newly formed pack of predators? Is everyone in your party capable of walking that distance, are your shtf items too much to carry, along with all the other shit you now have to leave behind?
How bad did Plan A got to sh$%^t and can you pause long enough to go to Plan B, OR are you realistically screwed just like everyone else on that road?
Should you have had better back up plans, stayed home or moved to another area with like minded folks etc, etc.

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Good thread Jim. [Awesom]

My first plan is to bug in, as I don't want to be one of the thousands of people clogging the roads trying to get out. We can comfortably stay here without electricity and even water (etc) for well over a month. By then if we have to go many of the sheeple will have died off. About the only thing I'd have to do is dig a latrine in the back yard.

Second part of the bugout, for now, involves getting to a pre-arranged mountain location where family lives. For that we have a truck and a jeep and a winch, and can and will go offroad if need be.

We also have an alternate bugout location of a large storage unit where again we could stay quite some time if need be.

I say "for now" on the bugout as we'll soon be buying land + house or land then building on it. Once we have that, we'll be there for the long haul and not bugout at all.

Gear-wise, we have it all in one place, and can easily load it all up in a couple of hours. Haven't tried that yet, plan to whenIgetaroundtoit, but I'm sure I can get all we need loaded up.

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Originally Posted by jmg8550

Yours is the designated rally point because my place sucks. [Beer]

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YUP ^

Staying put. Zombies don't want to wander into Teller County, gun ownership capital of Colorado.

1997 dodge cummins purchased for this specific reason. Looking at loading the quad as scout if needed. SoTA has it right with the dirt bike, you'll need to scout ahead...Read Patriots, they rolled up on a road block without scouting ahead and lost a member in their truck because of it.

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Originally Posted by Mtn.man

We are already bugged out.

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^^^This.
And the Super Duty with a 16K worm drive winch can move a lot of obstacles.