I was looking for a thread on antibiotics. Is there a discussion on this topic? What ones should you keep? How long are they good for?
I think I have water, food and ammo figured out.
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I was looking for a thread on antibiotics. Is there a discussion on this topic? What ones should you keep? How long are they good for?
I think I have water, food and ammo figured out.
amox, cipro, ziphro for me...
here are some good starting point...
Thanks for the links. Here are my notes from the first video. These are just my notes. I don't know anything about medicine.
Zithromax
Urinary track infections, inter-abdominal infections, blood infections, upper respiratory infections, gonorrhea.
Ampicillin
Broad spectrum, skin infections, ear infections, gonorrhea
Cipro (up to 10 years past expiration date)
Be careful with this. Anthrax, UTI's (pneumonia), diarrhea, bone and joint infections
Amoxicillin (up to 2 years past expiration date)
Sinus, ear, nose and throat infections, teeth, upper respiratory
Doxycycline (up to 5 years past expiration date)
Malaria, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever (ticks, flees).
Recommended Books:
Nurse's Drug Guide
Since these kinds of things aren't available Over the Counter, how does one procure them legally, just to keep on hand for preparations-sake?
Buy animal and fish antibotics they are pretty much the same. I think there is a thread on this
I used to own a Aquarium store and it was the general opinion that fish meds were human meds that had expired.
I spoke to the manufacturer rep on fish amox.. yep, same quality, same dosage even, just NOT legal for human. [Tooth]
I asked for fish antibiotics at Petsmart and they didn't know what I meant. They just wanted to know what my fish had.
ah man, we lost that entire thread from before didn't we? unreal. personally, those videos aren't a bad starting point, but why she chooses those five is beyond me. a lot of double dipping going on there and a few she picks are good for one or two things and thats about it. honestly she doesn't sound like she knows that much about them, which i suppose makes sense as she likely had very little pharmacology in nursing school and is just going off what she has seen used.
don't waste your time on cipro. increasing resistance in these parts, to a pretty significant degree, and you can get other things that are better.
OK, any suggestions?
Those are good starting points. The others are harder to come by unless you have a prescription etc.
here is the original thread that you started.. http://ar-15.co/forums/showthread.php?t=57408 [Beer]
I would say that Fish antibiotics along with this book that pharmacists and Doctors use for dosages would be a good starting point. My sister is in the late stages (year 5 or 6) of becoming a pharmacist and she says besides the 100 pound book that she normally would look things up in, the below book has good info in it.
Tarascon Pocket Pharmacopoeia 2012 Classic Shirt-Pocket Edition
http://www.amazon.com/Tarascon-Pocke...ia+2013+pocket
Sanford guide for antibiotics. Yeah it's a bit in medical jargon but small and lots of info and if you sit and study it a bit it's easy to get.
I am not an expert in Antibiotics but have some specific points.
Cipro and Doxy - I think are still the initial treatment of choice for your Biological Warfare agents - Anthrax, Plague, Tularemia, Brucellosis, Q Fever, and a few others. I believe these are the Anti-Bacterials that are still in the National Pharmaceutical Stockpiles and Push Packs.
When I came home from Africa with Malaria I was given Cipro (against my wishes for the reason above) and immediately had no more S/S.
The military combat pill packs include Moxifloxacin as their Anti-B of choice. My daughter had a pretty bad ear infection and when the doc showed me the literature on the infection, the only Anti-Biotic that was shown to work was Moxi.
Again no expert, just experience with that listed above.
Some folks, like me are unable to take any cillin.
For me it was (amoxicillin) a rapid allergic reaction. Had been the prescribed anti-biotic for decades. One day the reaction i had nearly killed me, had i not sought medical attention when i did.
Cipro can or has shown signs of the diseases it works on becoming strain resistant, Not the way i mean it, hopefully someone can clarify.
One warning on any of the mentioned units. IF you had to Bug OUT and for some reason taking them, cover yourself very well.
SUN SENSITIVITY is one side effect and sun / UV exposure can & will take you down very quick.
Petsmart over at Park Meadows had various fish anti-biotics last time I was there.
Here is a great piece of info to have...
http://www.survivalblog.com/2010/07/..._antibiot.html
you sure it was malaria and sure it was cipro? ive never heard of using cipro for plasmodium parasites. ive seen tetracycline back in the day, doxycycline and clindamycin, but not cipro. strange.
what do you mean exactly that moxi if their drug of choice? for everything for for a specific infection?
if i ever get time ill sit down and try to organize it clearly. last time i was in a rush and right now my job is killing me slowly as well as trying to find land to buy. ill try to get something up soon though.
as a quick note doxycycline and tetracycline are probably the best in general for biowarfare agents. they cover the majority of the common agents.
You can get cipro in mexico like it's candy at any drug store..
Head to mexico on vacation and bring back SHTF supplies.. what could be better?
And we wonder why the "bugs" are becoming more resistant! I use the term bugs very loose.
Yeah quite certain - I had cyclic fevers and it took a week (3 ER trips and one PCP, two lumbar punctures) to get there but it was. It was Cipro because at the time I was on a DHS WMD response team and did not want any Cipro because that and Doxy were our anti-b's for bio agents.
That's also what they were giving the Peace Corps members in country with S/S of Malaria.
The Moxi is in the combat pill packs as part of Tactical Combat Casualty Care. So it is the choice for GSW, blast injury, or other penetrating trauma.
thats bizarre. I've seen moxi used for some skin infections and even abdominal infections in some cases, but rarely, its generally reserved for infections of the respiratory tract. its weird too because i can't find any evidence of using cipro for malaria though i can see how it would have potential. but whatever works.
All of the ranch stores around here carry injectable anti biotics, syringes, and needles.
OK, I ordered the book and a few antibiotics from this guy on ebay. It shows the pills and has the expiration dates. http://www.ebay.com/itm/260744324696...84.m1439.l2649
I know. I'm speaking from a perspective on having some stock on hand... some are dangerous when expired, and some just loose potency. Thought it would be good info when storing some for a rainy day.
I looked up a couple antibiotics that are also used for fish and/or livestock.
This is from http://www.drugs.com/doxycycline.html
"Store doxycycline at room temperature away from moisture and heat. Throw away any unused medicine after the expiration date on the label has passed. Using expired doxycycline can cause damage to your kidneys."
don't use tetracycline or doxycycline past the expiration date. most others are for the most part ok but i still wouldn't use them past the date unless its a world wide collapse and you truly can't get any more.