CCW question

I have owned and operated firearms for many years now. I must admit I havent given much thought to a CCW permit until recently. Currently waiting for a call from good ole Jeffco to get one. Anywayz, I am curious........how many of you have had to make a trip or two to the vehicle to store a firearm realizing that where you have ended up isnt concealed friendly? I got to thinking about it because on any given weekend my wife has us running all over the world doing errands. I am thinking I cant realistically anticipate or know if an establishment allows firearms on their property. I see myself pulling up and parking somewhere, walking up to the door, seeing a sign that says no firearms allowed or something and having to walk back to the truck to store it. Maybe multiple times a day. I do try and respect the law and all. [Muaha]

Concealed means concealed.

I've never seen one of those signs except the post office and other federal buildings and the court house etc... And I usually know going in one of those before I get out the car. Never see them in gas stations, napa, resturants, or the mall etc..

Some might not like this, but to be honest, the only places I leave my gun behind is the post office (Federal Buildings) or my kids school. If some store doesn't want me in there because I'm carrying and they happen to see that I am somehow, they can ask me to leave. Hasn't happened once in 7 years.

And I really don't see "No Firearms" signs anywhere, but that might be because I'm not really looking.

I'm with GilpinGuy. If the property owner somehow finds out and doesn't approve they can ask me to leave their property and I will comply to avoid trespassing charges, however I will NOT set aside my 2A rights simply because of a sign that says the business owners don't support them.

Not me.
I respect their private property policy.
If they dont want ccw, I leave it inside my vehicle.

Of course, most likely I would not go back to that place for business. There are tons of 2a friendly business that are substitute.

It's not breaking the law unless it is Federal property.

The only place I don't carry is when boarding an airplane... no exceptions, period.

To follow up on that, If you find yourself stareing at a "no weapons" sign, do your business elsewhere.

While I don't have one myself yet ( for many of the same reasons your worried about )

I'm starting more and more to have the attitude of guys like gilpin ..

Concealed is concealed. what they don't know wont hurt you or them .

if you some how get caught
my understanding of the law is the most they can do to you ( Outside of a k-12 school, a federal building or an airport) Is issue a trespass citation or warning. ( Isn't colorado wonderful?)

And again the way I understand the law no matter how many of those you get it can't deny you for a renewal. ( not a felony)( again.. isn't this state awesome?)


If they don't allow CCW then don't go there again if you can help it.

If I see a sign they don't get my business but honestly I don't think to look for signs. They are always welcome to ask me to leave and I am happy to do so without incident. I won't be disarmed by another's ignorance or intolerance.

concealed is just that , if done properly no one should even know your packing so i dont see the problem

I really don't care if there is a sign or not. Concealed means Concealed. I do obey the laws for Federal, Schools and certain places like Event Centers that may have metal detectors or check points to search for weapons.

only places, like mentioned before are:
Federal buildings
State buildings
County courthouse
Kidz school

Places I do it, because I don't trust their security:
Malls(once a year for xmas gifts, i hate em)
ChuckyCheeses (carry my pocket wheel gun, not my glock, and they do post a sign), wife feels safe when i do it, so no complaints...And if you guys say don't support their business, then you don't have little kids that love that place, but we limit their support...

The business can pursue trespassing charges against you, but who really cares, if it's concealed, they'll never know.

I will never try to get in a gunfight inside those locations, more along the lines of get a handle on the situation, find a way to gtfo, and engage as last resort in those locations. In the parking lots at those locations, well, know your surroundings, and have a hard solid handle on situational awareness. A teenage hoodlum looking to get your wallet at the point of a knife is still a painful engagement for both sides.

damn, am i ranting?

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Originally Posted by clublights

While I don't have one myself yet ( for many of the same reasons your worried about )

I'm starting more and more to have the attitude of guys like gilpin ..

Concealed is concealed. what they don't know wont hurt you or them .

if you some how get caught
my understanding of the law is the most they can do to you ( Outside of a k-12 school, a federal building or an airport) Is issue a trespass citation or warning. ( Isn't colorado wonderful?)

And again the way I understand the law no matter how many of those you get it can't deny you for a renewal. ( not a felony)( again.. isn't this state awesome?)


If they don't allow CCW then don't go there again if you can help it.

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Ok...out of curiosity for those who carry in stores that do not allow it (which I have never ran across) and action is required (for some crazy reason)? Then what (besides a lawyer)? I don't think you'll end up with a trespass citation or warning? I'm pretty sure the families significant other(s) from who's life you took will be sueing? Hypotheically speaking of course.

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Originally Posted by CUatTheEnd

Ok...out of curiosity for those who carry in stores that do not allow it (which I have never ran across) and action is required (for some crazy reason)? Then what (besides a lawyer)? I don't think you'll end up with a trespass citation or warning? I'm pretty sure the families significant other(s) from who's life you took will be sueing? Hypotheically speaking of course.

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Suspect there'd be a law suit sign or no but think I'd rather be alive for one if there was. Dead sign-compliant victim is not a title I aspire to.

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Originally Posted by CUatTheEnd

Ok...out of curiosity for those who carry in stores that do not allow it (which I have never ran across) and action is required (for some crazy reason)? Then what (besides a lawyer)? I don't think you'll end up with a trespass citation or warning? I'm pretty sure the families significant other(s) from who's life you took will be sueing? Hypotheically speaking of course.

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I will not get in to the whole engaging another person with a gun debate as it's friday and i'm going to my niece's wedding.
HOWEVER BE A GOOD WITNESS UNLESS YOU ARE 100% SURE THE OTHER PERSON WITH A GUN IS TRULY A BG
OR THIS CAN HAPPEN. John was 51 not in his 40's as this report soon after the whole incident happened.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/ny...bery.html?_r=0

ONE OTHER ITEM
Take a CCW class where they discuss the law and not their career as a LE.
Multiple members here offer quality classes my self included. Starting at the basic level up to very advanced ones in hand gun, rifle & shot gun.

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Originally Posted by clublights

if you some how get caught
my understanding of the law is the most they can do to you ( Outside of a k-12 school, a federal building or an airport) Is issue a trespass citation or warning. ( Isn't colorado wonderful?)

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This is not entirely correct... If you walk into a private establishment where the owner or manager does not allow firearms, all they can do is ask you to leave. If you refuse to leave the premises, THEN you may be charged with Trespassing.

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Originally Posted by jim

I will not get in to the whole engaging another person with a gun debate as it's friday and i'm going to my niece's wedding.
HOWEVER BE A GOOD WITNESS UNLESS YOU ARE 100% SURE THE OTHER PERSON WITH A GUN IS TRULY A BG
OR THIS CAN HAPPEN. John was 51 not in his 40's as this report soon after the whole incident happened.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/ny...bery.html?_r=0

ONE OTHER ITEM
Take a CCW class where they discuss the law and not their career as a LE.
Multiple members here offer quality classes my self included. Starting at the basic level up to very advanced ones in hand gun, rifle & shot gun.

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THIS! Touche! You do not, let me put that in bold, You do not have any duty to act in the event of a crime- like Jim said, be a good witness, unless you feel that there is imminent threat to your life, the shot you don't take may in fact be the best decision. Remember: Once you pull that trigger there is no going back, and wherever that round goes you are responsible for it.

As far as establishments that don't allow firearms- I don't frequent them, so I carry everywhere except federal property, K-12 schools and locales with metal detectors... I also don't really look for signage that says no firearms- concealed means concealed. [Beer]

Jim- side note, I'd love to take one of your advanced hand gun classes someday! [AR15]

I carry everywhere except schools and occasionally the post office but I have found a bank that does postal work and do all my stuff there unless I have to pick up a package I was supposed to sign for. And even then I have a plan to get back to my vehicle and retrieve it if necessary.

concealed means concealed.

I don't post my personal carry policy. I do want to say that I won't carry into a bar that pats you down. I just don't go inside at all. A bar that pats everyone down is not a place I want to be, armed or not.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I don't post my personal carry policy. I do want to say that I won't carry into a bar that pats you down. I just don't go inside at all. A bar that pats everyone down is not a place I want to be, armed or not.

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Why does this remind me of Chris Rock:
"Never go to a party with metal detectors, sure it feels safe on the inside, but what about all them n***** with guns on the outside? They know you ain't got one!" (sic)