.300 win mag hunting ammo ?, load data, savage 11 info

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10-11-2012, 10:39
sniper7

.300 win mag hunting ammo ?, load data, savage 11 info

I just ordered a new Savage 11 in .300 Win Mag. It will be pretty much just for big game hunting. I currently have a box of federal premium 165 grain triple shock that I plan on using to sight in and do a cow elk hunt with.

next step will be to build up some loads for the same or maybe 180 grain bullets. I have just started looking around and will hit the books here shortly, but wanted to see if any of you guys have some loads set up for your hunting rifle/bullets.

I'll obviously build them up for my rifle and see what works best, just looking for some starting points that you have found that work for you.
10-11-2012, 11:05
Rucker61

Are you a member of the Long Range Hunting forum? I've found that to be a great resource for what you're looking for.
10-11-2012, 14:35
SA Friday

I like to try Nosler Partitions first for elk loads. They are reliable and are fairly inexpensive for a big game bullet. For powders; IMR 7828, RL22, and H1000 are the ones I've seen decent result.
10-11-2012, 15:27
sniper7

Quote:

Originally Posted by SA Friday

I like to try Nosler Partitions first for elk loads. They are reliable and are fairly inexpensive for a big game bullet. For powders; IMR 7828, RL22, and H1000 are the ones I've seen decent result.

Ever try it with varget? My. 243 is a whore for varget
10-11-2012, 18:53
DSB OUTDOORS

I've got some Varget 300 Win Mag data I'll dig out. In 2007 I loaded 180g - 220g for my moose hunt. I stuck with the 220 g Nosler Partition. But the 180g was dead on nuts also. I'll see if I can find it for ya.
10-11-2012, 19:13
sniper7

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Originally Posted by DSB OUTDOORS

I've got some Varget 300 Win Mag data I'll dig out. In 2007 I loaded 180g - 220g for my moose hunt. I stuck with the 220 g Nosler Partition. But the 180g was dead on nuts also. I'll see if I can find it for ya.

okay thanks. I have a good stockpile of varget so it would be nice to stick with that
10-11-2012, 19:19
DSB OUTDOORS

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Originally Posted by sniper7

okay thanks. I have a good stockpile of varget so it would be nice to stick with that

I found my loaded rounds, but now the data. [Bang] [Coffee]
10-11-2012, 19:50
DSB OUTDOORS

Sorry Snipe, I started loading the 155g with Varget, worked up some loads for 168g, But I switched to IMR-4831 because of the lack of load data after the 168g. Heavier bullet different powder, just to be on the safe side. [Beer]

You might check Hodgen's sight for Varget data, they might have some now?? Like I said it was 2007 when I was loading my 300 win.

Sorry man.

Dave
10-11-2012, 20:11
sniper7

no worries, thanks for trying[Beer]
10-11-2012, 20:16
DSB OUTDOORS

Over the years, and all the beers, the brain gets a little fuzzy. [Coffee] But I can still shoot. [Beer]
10-11-2012, 20:55
buckshotbarlow

My savage 110bvss in 300wm likes the 185 berger vld hunting bullets behind a med load of ramshot magnum.
185grBergerRamshot Mag80grF215M
speed is right around 2900fps with a 15fps variation.

Here's my info on the stuff i rejected:
Bullet whtpowderpowder whtprimerVel185BergerH483171grsF215M2909185BergerRL2272F215M2876185BergerN16573F215M2890180NoslerH483171grsF215M2908180NoslerRL2272F215M2924180NoslerN16575F215M3018180SGMKH483171grsF215M2910180SGMKRL2272F215M2890180SGMKN16575F215M2980168grBergerH435068F215M3050
10-11-2012, 21:47
sniper7

can you re-type that somehow, I can't break that down
10-12-2012, 06:42
oinco

I run 208 gr AMAX w 77gr of h1000, 225 Hornady bthp or 230gr Berger w H1000 would also get my vote, R22 seems to be a favorite powder too for the heavier bullets but it is prone to sizeable temp/speed variation-hunting season probably not an issue though.
10-12-2012, 20:51
Zombie Steve

While I love Varget, it's the wrong tool for this particular job... too fast burning for the application, and not bulky enough.

I'd look to RE-22, RE-25, or one of the 4831's and a magnum primer.
10-12-2012, 20:56
sniper7

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Originally Posted by Zombie Steve

While I love Varget, it's the wrong tool for this particular job... too fast burning for the application, and not bulky enough.

I'd look to RE-22, RE-25, or one of the 4831's and a magnum primer.

sounds good, maybe I need to set up something for the group buy like cstone was doing![Beer]
10-16-2012, 15:24
buckshotbarlow

this might work better...
reload data
10-16-2012, 22:40
sniper7

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckshotbarlow

this might work better...
reload data

thanks![Beer]
10-17-2012, 12:48
SA Friday

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckshotbarlow

this might work better...
reload data

Just an FYI, but all of the sheets on that Excel spreadsheet were attached also. I'm not sure if you meant to do that or not.

On the rifle loads, are those loads you concluded were accurate out of the respective rifles? If so, what size groups were you typically seeing with each? I'm interested because there is is an obvious velocity difference between the bullet types even with same weights. I find this interesting. I've always held the premise that every bullet/powder/rifle combos need to be treated as an individual set of conditions and have to be tested to find their optimum conditions. If the 300 WM data is all from the same gun, the velocity differences (and standard deviations) between the 180 gr bullets are interestingly spread apart.

The 185 Berger (hunting bullet?) averaged 2891 fps and between the three powders has a standard deviation of 13.5.

The 180 Nosler (Partition?) averaged 2950 fps and between the three powders a SD of 48.5.

The 180 SGMK (Sierra Gameking?) averaged 2927 fps and SD of 38.6.

Just based on the SD numbers, I would suspect you are seeing the best accuracy out of the Bergers and the least out of the Noslers. But neither the Nosler nor the SGMK are even close to the consistancy of the Bergers. Does this ring true?
10-17-2012, 14:10
Rucker61

Quote:

Originally Posted by SA Friday

Just an FYI, but all of the sheets on that Excel spreadsheet were attached also. I'm not sure if you meant to do that or not.

On the rifle loads, are those loads you concluded were accurate out of the respective rifles? If so, what size groups were you typically seeing with each? I'm interested because there is is an obvious velocity difference between the bullet types even with same weights. I find this interesting. I've always held the premise that every bullet/powder/rifle combos need to be treated as an individual set of conditions and have to be tested to find their optimum conditions. If the 300 WM data is all from the same gun, the velocity differences (and standard deviations) between the 180 gr bullets are interestingly spread apart.

The 185 Berger (hunting bullet?) averaged 2891 fps and between the three powders has a standard deviation of 13.5.

The 180 Nosler (Partition?) averaged 2950 fps and between the three powders a SD of 48.5.

The 180 SGMK (Sierra Gameking?) averaged 2927 fps and SD of 38.6.

Just based on the SD numbers, I would suspect you are seeing the best accuracy out of the Bergers and the least out of the Noslers. But neither the Nosler nor the SGMK are even close to the consistancy of the Bergers. Does this ring true?

Assuming you looked at the figures on tab [WEBLoads], I'm curious how you calculated Standard Deviation. Excel gave me different numbers than what you have. In any case, it's useless data, as each shot has a difference amount and type of powder.
10-17-2012, 21:28
SA Friday

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

Assuming you looked at the figures on tab [WEBLoads], I'm curious how you calculated Standard Deviation. Excel gave me different numbers than what you have. In any case, it's useless data, as each shot has a difference amount and type of powder.

I used an N-1 degrees of freedom instead of a basic n value. It doesn't matter which was used as the comparison would still be valid as long as the degrees of freedom was consistent. Granted though, the sample value for each is only three, but that should be enough to look at and speculate.

I did pull the data off the WEBload sheet, but the data may not be useless as long as the loads were the most accurate loads of each combination for the gun. As I stated in my other post, for a single gun the powder and bullet combo for that gun is going to show some consistent desires for accuracy. For example, my Rem 700 PSS shoots a 175gr SMK bullet the most accurate at a velocity of 2730 fps. This is a different charge of powder between Varget, IMR 4064, and RL 15. It's even a different powder charge if I switch from Lapua brass to Win brass. But, the velocity range in which it's going to shoot the bullet accurately remains fairly consistent.

Looking at the SDs of the different bullets is a representation of the differences in the gun and powder relationship with the same bullet. Where the velocities of different powders all preferred a very consistent window of velocity, may or may not point to a consistently more accurate bullet/gun combination. That's why I asked for more info. I want to know if this rang true or not.
10-18-2012, 20:30
buckshotbarlow

Ok, here's the deal on the xls...

I started that sheet back in 2005 when I first got into reloading. Instead of having hundreds of different xls's for every gun and all the other bs, i lumped it into 1 xls file.

So, I still have not found the magic formula for my savage 112 in 300wm. These are not accuracy loads for any given rifle, just different velocities out of the different guns. I'll post more when i recharge my battery...

Quote:

Originally Posted by SA Friday

Just an FYI, but all of the sheets on that Excel spreadsheet were attached also. I'm not sure if you meant to do that or not.

On the rifle loads, are those loads you concluded were accurate out of the respective rifles? If so, what size groups were you typically seeing with each? I'm interested because there is is an obvious velocity difference between the bullet types even with same weights. I find this interesting. I've always held the premise that every bullet/powder/rifle combos need to be treated as an individual set of conditions and have to be tested to find their optimum conditions. If the 300 WM data is all from the same gun, the velocity differences (and standard deviations) between the 180 gr bullets are interestingly spread apart.

The 185 Berger (hunting bullet?) averaged 2891 fps and between the three powders has a standard deviation of 13.5.

The 180 Nosler (Partition?) averaged 2950 fps and between the three powders a SD of 48.5.

The 180 SGMK (Sierra Gameking?) averaged 2927 fps and SD of 38.6.

Just based on the SD numbers, I would suspect you are seeing the best accuracy out of the Bergers and the least out of the Noslers. But neither the Nosler nor the SGMK are even close to the consistancy of the Bergers. Does this ring true?
10-18-2012, 22:54
sniper7

Well, I picked up the rifle today. Got some factory ammo for now so I will shoot that and get it sighted in and ready for hunting season. then I will figure out some loads to work up based on some of this data!
thanks guys
10-18-2012, 23:24
SA Friday

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckshotbarlow

Ok, here's the deal on the xls...

I started that sheet back in 2005 when I first got into reloading. Instead of having hundreds of different xls's for every gun and all the other bs, i lumped it into 1 xls file.

So, I still have not found the magic formula for my savage 112 in 300wm. These are not accuracy loads for any given rifle, just different velocities out of the different guns. I'll post more when i recharge my battery...

It's all good. I like looking at stuff like the above. That's all. Since the data isn't what I suspected, the above isn't really going to show any trends.