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Yes! I'll fire the BBQ to celebrate!
Seriously: what this article shows is the futility and lack of seriousness of both the global warming and non global warming folks.
Ther is simply not enough long term data (statistical sample) to really know what is happening to our planet's weather.
The usual pro comment is: "not true! Ice core sample can go back 200.000 years!"
Yeah: earth is 5 billions years old, so 200k, is not a valid stat sample....
That would actually be water vaporQuote:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...00_634x821.jpg
Damage: Global warming has been caused in part by the CO2 emitted by fossil fuels. This image
shows smoke billowing out of a power station
Poor Al Gore[ROFL2]
This is what has always bugged me about the global warming alarmists. Even if we had a million years worth of data, that would be like taking the temperature at 7am and then again at 7:30am and claim global warming since it got hotter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthabagah
My numbers are just approximates, but you get the idea.
It is hard to argue that CO2 warms the earth, and we are producing more CO2 than what the earth can stabily handle. Yes the ocean and other tectonic activities produce CO2, but we are throwing off the balance of the earths system.
Here is a link of what I am speaking about
http://www.skepticalscience.com/huma...-emissions.htm
Well I hope Al is right about manbearpig. I want to hunt that damn thing
Not even going to argue this one, but the science behind this is motivated by funding which is granted for political or financial reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackthewall81
We cannot stop or start or even change directions of something as simple as a hurricane, and you seriously believe that we have the ability to alter the long term climate? The Earth could care less that we are here, and will not miss us if we are gone.
I started my college career in Environmental Science and Technology, but I switched to Psychology because the girls were cuter and actually wanted to get a job out of college, and ended up playing with race cars for the last 20 years so I could do my part to help with "global warming" and help people understand why they will never be the next Aryton Senna.
So when I was boiling water this morning for hard boiled eggs I was actually detroying the earth with CO2 from the fossil fuel produced by the eggs, water and electric stove top?
oh my god, I did not know!
I'm so ashamed!
Hopefully you trapped your egg flatulents and scrubbed them with renewable green materials made by naturalists so you can make up for your atrocities.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEAMRICO
Al Gore is anything but poor.. That scammer is probably working on a global cooling documentation.
[quote=jackthewall81;678991]It is hard to argue that CO2 warms the earth/quote]
Uh, no it isn't. Lots of data in the last 10 years about CO2 levels rising with either a flat or slightly lower temperature. Bad and hokey science. Global warming = 100% politics, just like global cooling was in the mid 70's.
Singlestack
The CIA spent all their cocaine money and created global warming after they found out their AIDS virus wasn't working fast enough.
Walk into a green house someday.[Stooge]Quote:
Originally Posted by jackthewall81
Which one of you guys actually has a Ph.D in climate sciences? Don't get your science data from Fox news or Rush Limbaugh. Go ask a farmer if he thinks is hotter and dryer than before. Did you know the north pole, Antarctica and Greenland are melting?
Think for yourself
Delfuego out!
but to argue that humans created that is a whole other thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delfuego
My grandpa the farmer can rattle off the terrible years when there were droughts, it was hot, and he can also tell you the years where they had the worst blizzards and couldn't get out of the house for several days and had to use a tractor to get back into town.
Does that mean I need to buy a prius instead of driving my truck?
FWIW: I used more gas today flying than my whole family will driving all their vehicles all year long.
Soooo, Does this mean the Ice Fishing is gona be better this year?? I hope!! [Coffee]
Just because you have a differing opinion doesn't mean those that disagree with you can't "think for" themselves. That's a popular bumper-sticker slogan with the leftist crowd that doesn't really mean anything.
We all have to get information from somewhere. What we do with that information is what matters.
COEXIST!
I flip them off to see if they can COEXIST me with and smile back![Tooth]
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Originally Posted by Delfuego
I actually did nearly get my degree in environmental science, which is a multi-discipline degree involving biology, physics, chemistry, agriculture(pesticides, etc) and was almost done when I switched to Psychology. Additionally, I spent some time working with a company that environmental science, specifically working in industrial and stormwater runoff and treatment.
My conclusion is that we are a bunch of arrogant asses to think we have much more than a clue about how this world works when we barely understand anything.
But lets talk environmental impact for a second-
Oil Spills- nice news articles but do you realize that prior to humans giving a shit and having the ability to do something about it oil literally bubbled to the surface "polluting" large areas of land, and underground faults allowed millions of gallons to escape without anyone noticing beyond "hey, no fish here, time to move before we starve"
Erosion- yeah dont hear about that one anymore. Thats because shocker- we dumbass humans decided we wanted to live in Kansas an Nebraska, and so we planted shit, dug wells, irrigated thousands of acres, and poof- no more dustbowl.
Trees- more exist now than at any previous point in history. Humans care, so we plant the fuck out of them, fight forrest fires, and spend a billion dollars a year in this country alone "saving the forest".
Water- The new oil- going to run out at any time. Wait, cant we make water? Oh yeah, we can. The water shortage is the idiots explanation for how the polar ice caps are melting and yet the sea level is dropping- you can only have it both ways if the water no longer exists. Weird though, as humans are blamed for the consumption of water, because we sweat it out, piss it out, and if we die it evaporates right on out, so the water used by all humans is never really used at all, just borrowed.
I swear, next your going to be telling me the Earth is flat...
Nm
Its "conceited", and I just stated facts, other than my opinion that its very arrogant to think we are causing global anything.
Funny how when someone says THINK FOR YOURSELF they are trying to force their views on you so you can't think for yourself?
Still waiting for that Global Cooling I was promised in the 70's when I was a kid!
I can make a climate change prediction, soon it will get colder then normal.....then it will get nicer and the earth will bloom.....theeeen it will get hot for a few months when the kids are not in school then just maybe, juuuuust maybe it will gradually get cooler and I will set up my Christmas decorations and artificial tree, cuz I'm GREEN like that, and it will,start all over again. Anyone with me?
What's your PHD in? Or you just talking to Marijuana Farmers?
Think like Delfuego errrr I mean for yourself!
So everything that you say is a fact? Good to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwalker460
You are either dilusional or very hard headed not to think that we have an impact upon this earth. No need to bicker though because you are all knowing.
The earth will survive no matter what humans do. Will it be inhabitable for us? Who knows. A lot of the earth isn't already, but since we have the ability to think rationally, we make it inhabitable (on a large scale).Quote:
Originally Posted by jackthewall81
Thats the kind of crap the left spew- cite some facts to dispute mine?
There are not more trees now than ever before?
The dustbowl is not gone?
There is a legitimate water shortage?
There are random oil funnels bubbling up all over? Oil explorers have not discovered, capped, and utilized anything even resembling oil bubbling to the surface?
All of these things are presented in a negative light and are the way politicians and action groups use to push their agenda, through fear, guilt, etc. onto the populace...
The same people who talk about the polar ice caps melting conveniently leave out that period of time in the earth's history called the ice age... the earth certainly didn't have a problem warming up without our "massive" carbon emissions.
Not to mention that roughly every 1500 years, regardless of human impact, there is a dramatic shift in temperature. Just because, ya know, NATURE.
Silly, silly things.
But, you guy hate a discussion, you only want a sounding board. We any dare to disagree with the popular opinion you collectively jump his shit. That's why it only the same 10 guys agreeing with shit around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
No one ever said that, I just chose not to live in denial about obvious things. So shoot me.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Hey Rico, go fuck yourself!Quote:
Originally Posted by TEAMRICO
Delfuego really out, I'll just try to stick to the Trading Post...
When you espouse an opinion that obviously leans to the left on a gun forum made up of the type of people that are generally gonna hang out on that particular forum, you really shouldn't be surprised that the majority are going to strongly disagree with you.
Furthermore, when your first statement on the subject is a condescending one to the other members telling them where they should or shouldn't get their information, I guess I don't really feel sorry for you.
Wow! This one went downhill rather quickly... It usually take 4-5 pages to get to the F word. Now I may have to adjust my probability samples.
Yeah I am a little surprised too. That went downhill quick. Regardless of your degree it is pointless to argue this issue. I have taken classes on all of these issues and I work in the power production industry, and formerly nuclear power. The one thing that I can tell you is that no one out there has any idea what they are talking about because as soon as they make a prediction, the earth does the exact opposite. There is no way to measure the human impact when a single volcano erupting in Indonesia emits more CO2 than the rest of the entire USA would in three years from all sources. Who knows where the balance point is, was or will ever be. It is like throwing a rock into a hurricane and trying to determine its impact in the aftermath. There are too many variables and to many unknowns.
It is pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danimal
One side believes in very disputable facts that support a predetermined conclusion. The media supports this theory thus the American public has been dosed with lies and misrepresentations of true facts. If these people who support this theory carried the courage of their convictions they would not be using fossil fuels in any form nor would they participate in any activity that used or encouraged the use of fossil fuels. As you can plainly see here and on the national scale they are cowardly in their convictions and they respond with more lies, pejoratives, and baseless attacks on the opposition.
The other side believes that the true facts will lead us to a scientific conclusion which hasn't yet been determined. History shows repeated events of natural warming and cooling periods and these all occurred without mankind's industry. These people, represented by many of us on this board including me, are waiting patiently for the scientific conclusion which we may not see in our lifetime.
I will not deny that mankind has had a huge negative impact on very small segments of the earth, as measured in proportion to the total size of the earth. Our own Rocky Flats Arsenal is a testament to that, but look at its progress, a wildlife refuge now. We can overcome our mistakes from the past, it just takes time and willingness to do it.
I read somewhere that cow flatulence when they're all gathered together produce more CO2 than 10 cars on a freeway for 8 hours constantly running at 2500 RPM. MTFBWY.
Never mind, I was thinking of a different comment.
If the world is actually warming, why would anyone have to change the facts to make it look so?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...lobal-warming/
I say inconclusive... We only have data going back so far (and it's not very far at all)... Some say this is an abnormal warming trend, but others say this is just part of the cycle that happens every few hundred years. Either way, I take all that global warming talk with a grain of salt.
Interesting article
“Since 1880, when worldwide industrialization began to gather pace and reliable statistics were first collected on a global scale, the world has warmed by 0.75 degrees Celsius. “
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See http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/Calen/correlaEng.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Delfuego
Walking into a greenhouse by no means disproves higher temps causing higher CO2 outputs. In any case, those who said the interactions in the earth are much more complex than we can reasonably predict/model get my vote.
What is indisputable is that the global warming movement is 100% political, and backed by junk science. The garbage uncovered at East Anglia university a few years ago makes it clear that the propaganda and publishing efforts are fraudulent, and discredited.
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