https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...nment/lWDshfl3
I for one know many people on here disagree with the federal go remnant being in our lives, especially these days. Here is a way to make it stop.
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...nment/lWDshfl3
I for one know many people on here disagree with the federal go remnant being in our lives, especially these days. Here is a way to make it stop.
Did this past election just show the majority of voters went DEMOCRAT?
This would not be a good thing IMO......
Talk of secession in different States seems to follow every election. Good luck getting traction on this. Out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen a petition filed on whitehouse.gov go anywhere?
I noticed most of the signers of this particular petition don't even live in CO.
We could be like Switzerland.
Yeah, what's up with that? We should start a petition to get CA and NY to peacefully secede.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teufelhund
I heard reports of some 27 states wanting to do this... I agree, probably nothing will come of it, just frustration being directed to one extreme. Thus far, searching around, Michigan and Louisiana as well have these petitions. After seeing last night though, Michigan only had 3 signatures when I first saw it.
Secession is perfectly legal still, but the precedent of the civil war established that it cannot be undertaken unilaterally. To secede, a state would have to get congress to approve the cession, or do it by constitutional convention (the US constitution, with 3/4 of state legislatures approving the amendment, etc).
Yep, don't see that happening...Quote:
Originally Posted by Circuits
Reportedly someone from North Dakota started a petition to have New York secede from the Union. That made me chuckle.
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There aren't many things I take more seriously than an internet petition.
Do you think TX has a enough budget to support their own?
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/12/15117305-petition-for-texas-to-secede-from-us-reaches-threshold-for-white-house-response?lite
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Petition for Texas to secede from US reaches threshold for White House response
By Vignesh Ramachandran
An online petition that calls for the state to Texas to withdraw from the U.S. and create its own government on Monday reached the required signature threshold to receive an official response from The White House.
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The petition on WhiteHouse.gov asks the Obama administration to "peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own new government." The petition had surpassed 34,000 signatures as of Monday evening. It was created by a person self-identified only as "Micah H." from Arlington, Texas.
The petition cites the nation's economic woes as an issue and says that the condition of Texas' budget and economy make it "practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union."
Online petitions on WhiteHouse.gov that get sufficient support are reviewed by White House staff and "sent to the appropriate policy experts." To be searchable on WhiteHouse.gov in the first place, petitions currently need to get 150 signatures within 30 days. To get an official response, petitions need 25,000 signatures within 30 days.
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Similar petitions from other states have also been filed including: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Tennessee. However, unlike the petition from Texas, none of these states had reached the 25,000-signature threshold to get an official White House response as of Monday evening.
According to the Texas State Library and Archives Commission, a 1866 proclamation signed by then-President Andrew Johnson clearly spelled out that no state had the right to leave the union:
"...It is the manifest determination of the American people that no State, of its own will, has a right or power to go out of or separate itself from, or be separated from the American Union; and that, therefore, each State ought to remain and constitute an integral part of the United States..."
The flurry of petitions are likely just the consequence of voters unhappy with last week's presidential election results. University of Texas at Austin Assistant Professor Jason Casellas told NBC News that's likely the case in Texas, where 57 percent of the state population's vote went for Republican Mitt Romney.
Catherine Frazier, press secretary for Texas Gov. Rick Perry, told NBC News Monday that the governor "believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it."
"But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government," Frazier said in a statement. "Now more than ever our country needs strong leadership from states like Texas, that are making tough decisions to live within their means, keep taxes low and provide opportunities to job creators so their citizens can provide for their families and prosper."
Silly season isn't over sadly.
How the hell is anyone going to take this even remotely seriously if New York is on the list?
Someone from North Dakota submitted the one to have NY secede.
you're also forgetting colorado...Quote:
Originally Posted by 45XD
The only way a State(s) could seceded will be under a huge movement, and sadly, spilled blood.
........not something that should be considered lightly by anyone. :(
I think it's safe to assume the White House response will look something like this:
http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.50042...h=139&c=7&rs=1
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Originally Posted by hammer03
Now that's funny! [LOL]
I think we've already established how states secede.
...and how the federal government reacts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho Villa
I find it entertaining how many people think secession because you don't like an election is a likely outcome.
In so many words, thats what happened in 1861. Southern states did not like the fact a republican president won. They left.
Texas is one of the largest economies in not just the US but the world and has managed to do much better than the majority of the country since the recession occurred. The Texas economy continues to grow despite the majority of the US economy.
It's not a matter of whether or not Texas can survive without the US it is more a matter of how badly hurt the US would be without TX.
I assume that the newly independent Republic of Texas would insist on a mutual defense treaty with the United States that it despises so much?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDee
I would be down. Let the welfare hounds have their own country.
Are you insinuating that the United states would militarily attack the peaceful nation of Texas? Or are you insinuating that Mexico would attack Texas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
A noble thought,.Texas and 29 other states seceding.
But they have it all wrong, it should be 50 states telling DC to fuck off.
We are a nation of states that are to dictate to the Fed what We The People demand of our elected leaders.
Yup.
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Originally Posted by BPTactical
A Judge from Texas mentioned something not to long ago about civil unrest if Oblowme won a 2nd term...
... I guess it's starting to look like he's right...
there are lots of S&P500 companies in TX, but they gotta factor these in.
IF TX goes independent and not a part of US, doing business with US will be international trade. Some minor tariffs and quotas will be imposed.
No federal funding of any sort.
TX then has has impose same thing on goods that comes into TX.
Walmart, Safeway, Kroger, automobiles, and any necessities to luxury item will be an import, not a delivery.
IMHO, Odds are very slim at this time. Who knows near to distant future....
Don't you think Barry would go to war? Would the FED. finally build a fence to keep out those pesky Texan immigrants? Texas could import from any other country and collect tariff money and not share it with the USA. Go Texas
A huge part of the security industry is in texas as well as data storage... I'm talking guys with 15 million dollar quotas for a part of the state of texas. Whereas, a comparable job in colorado would only hold a 2-3 million dollar quota. The gov will never let this happen though.
would you let your golden goose leave?
I think the response from the WH is going to be a call to the Governor of Texas "Quell that shit."
i was told by a facebook friend that without ft hoods money Texas economy would collapse [ROFL1]
Most States entered the Union voluntarily and there is nothing in The Constitution that prevents States from voluntarily withdrawing from that Union however Mr. Lincoln acting outside lawful authority labeled it "rebellion", "treasonous" and a "threat to the Government", we know the rest. The Constitution of Texas does not explicitly allow for succession (nothing that precludes it either) but it does allow for Texas to split into four additional States and it did join the union as a Sovereign Republic under a "Joint Resolution for Annexation" subject only to "The Constitution of the United States" not "...subject to the President of the United States..." or "...subject to the Congress of the United States..." or "...subject to the collective will of one or more of the other States...".
Texas is one of few States with the resources and infrastructure to actually have a chance at pulling it off however the Federal Government would never allow it. As was the case with the South, economic drivers will justify any atrocity to retain the resource. Sort of like the Civil War was about slavery...Quote:
"governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
Techs Ass.....LOL
Hmmm lets see they have oil, shipping, fishing industry, huge agricultural assets.....yeah they can do it.
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Originally Posted by Rucker61
You think anyone in Texas think they need the US Govt for defense?? Shit son, the rest of the world is afraid Texas will secede. First mission- invade Mexico and quell that shit. Get a little payback for Santa Anna, and sort out this whole "border" issue". Would be funny seeing Mexico annexed as "South Texas". I bet even New Mehico and Arizona would get in on that shit. Solve the illegal problem the old fashion way, through invasion, domination, and annexation.
Next up, kick that sick bastard out of Columbia, and shut down the Gulf O Mehico to furreners who want to drill oil, fish coastal waters, and otherwise generally muck with American... scuse me TEXICAN, commerce.
Texas unleashed should make Mexico and South America very very nervous...
Yeah, Ijoke with my Canadian friends that if they get too uppity we will move Texas in next to them. They do not like that idea...