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This is how you DON'T go about defending yourself...[Bang]
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This is how you DON'T go about defending yourself...[Bang]
Eh. Makes sense to me [Dunno]Quote:
"If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again."
Is this that guy who made that home defense video?
Somebody is missing a few marbles [facepalm]
There is defending your home / self ... then there is executing someone.....
Rifle up under the chin is an execution .. not self defense.
What a dickweed!
I was good with his actions until I read that he dragged (both) the teens bodies onto a tarp. Then, further lost me with his putting the gun under the girls chin and firing a second shot. Of course, making ANY comments was the wrong move as well.
If he'd have left the bodies where they fell, called the police once he felt the threat was neutralized - without KILLING if it could be prevented (which may or may not have been the eventual result of the first shot to the girl, but the second shot was clearly uncalled for), I'd stand with this guy and he probably wouldn't have been arrested. Sadly, he took it way to far.
Side note:
Mini-14 jammed: anyone who's ever owned or shot one knows how common that is.
Asses like this make it harder on the rest of us by giving the Brady Bunch more talking points and extreme examples. :-(
Body on a tarp...oooooohhhhkaaaaay maybe he didn't want blood soaking his wood floors? Dragged body to basement... lost me. Gun under chin for a good clean finishing shot...yeah you're a moron and a murderer by your own admission.
Yep, he deserves to be convicted of homicide.
You know, I have a feeling this guy had his way with the girl in the basement before putting a bullet in her head... that's why it took a whole day for the guy to call and report what happened..Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodburbon
Pretty f*cked up.... bet there won't be home invasions in that area for awhile... never knowing what kind of sick f*ck lives in the house that someone would plan to break into...
bet you wont be laughing at him though
Hopefully he doesn't giggle when Bubbas giving it to him! [werdo]
This guy totally enjoyed those teens breaking into his home that night. Sad but true.
I guess it pays to know the mental capacity of those you choose to rob......
Besides the things everyone else mentioned, this part bothered me as well...
"Neither of the teens had a weapon"
I'm not familiar with the laws in that state, but sometimes you just have to use a little common sense too. I obviously wasn't there and don't know everything that went on, but I don't think I would have even fired a shot. I would guess that once I announced or showed them that I was armed they probably would have turned and left.
The guy definitely has some sort of mental issue.
Yes sir, I was actually surprised to hear he hit anything with it!Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
Here is where the whole thing goes off the rails for me - Boy goes down the steps, gets shot twice, indoors, and falls down the steps. Moments later, girl goes down the steps... WTF?
I don't need a polygraph or the Bat Computer to throw the BS flag on that story.
Miranda v. Arizona - You have the right to remain silent. Do everyone a favor; Use it!
Be safe.
Other story. No Castle Doctrine in Minnesota...
http://seemydeath.com/murders/4210-n...#axzz2DOC6SSWT
I'm surprised to hear the people they interviewed not praising what an angel the robber was.
I view this as gang violence. Some trash interacted with some other trash and the outcome was bad for the trash, but likely good for the community.
He also said she laughed. Drugs?Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
The way I read it was the boy comes in and gets shot, the guy gets a tarp and puts under the body or whatever, then the girl comes in and gets shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
I think the boy came in and then the girl either heard the shots and then came in to see what was going on or went to investigate after the boy had been in for too long. Seems like there was enough time between shooting the two of them that he had time to fiddle with the boys body and put a tarp under it.
There is A LOT that doesn't make sense at the outset of this story.
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Originally Posted by cstone
Yeah I was going to say that. The guy was in his basement? Heard glass break, when he saw the male burgler's hips he shot, twice? Gun, loud, gun in house LOUDER, yet the female "burgler" still came in presumed through the same entry point, but took long enough for said guy to move body to tarp? She didn't run after hearing the gunshots?
I would suspect he took so much time to report to authorities to hone the story. There has got to be more to it, the "whole / true story" is there somewhere. The guy is a freak and even his "sounds made up" story still incriminated himself a sadistic idiot.
Despite the story's version, I would suspect a death rattle, not a laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
So much wrong with this story, then sift it through some bad journalism story telling and you get the outline for a Steven King novel [pileoshit]
Sounds like a story that's not even worthy of a really cheesy B movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
Perhaps Ridge could find a Pony reenactment of the crime scene. [Bang]Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
My thought, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
Execution isn't exactly self defense last time I checked.
Exactly... I was always taught- both in the military and by handgun instructors "Fire to eliminate the threat, this does not necessarily mean shoot to kill."Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashton
Holy crap!! If I read this correctly this guy will get fried just like the guy in Oklahoma.
I think he wrote it already. It was in the book Four Seasons; old guy living alone and killing bums... Ya, close enough. Maybe he's a Nazi hiding out in MN? [Peep]Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
well the teens were on drugs but the guy still went beyond self defense (according to the media) . i was not there so i cant say but imho guy should be put in the puzzle factory for a while
"Yes, she had an addiction problem and stuff, but that doesn't mean she deserves to get murdered at 18 years old," Shaeffel said. "I understand they came there to rob them, or whatever, but shoot them in the shoulder and call the cops."
Idiots with guns out in force. Heres another in FL. http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/us/flo...html?hpt=hp_t3
What happened for sure we don't know but left the scene and didn't report it.
Sounds like slightly stupid circumstances too, started it by telling someone else in essentially a public parking lot to turn down their music (we don't know if politely or not.) Then when they respond in a uncouth manner, he freaks out and opens fire on a car full of people? It mentions making motions to open door not they actually had. Not to mention any sign of this mysterious barrell.
Three douchebags eliminated from gene pool.[Beer]
Big black eye for gun owners and self defense in general.[fail]
Very odd story and with only one side left to tell the tale I wonder will the "real" story ever be known. The tarps, "clean finishing shot", 24 hour lag, etc. don't make sense but doesn't justify breaking in either.
The news on the other hand I could do with a bit less of;
Beside the quotes Alex included these caught my eye; "Crystal Shaeffel walked down the long driveway on Sunday, past the "keep out" sign" & "Neighbors described Byron Smith as a loner who liked to shoot his guns often, intimidating and worrying nearby residents.", “neighbor Lori Williams said she had complained to authorities about the frequent shooting on Smith's property, worrying that children playing outside could be hurt. But deputies had told her and her husband that nothing could be done because his property was outside city limits" Of course "They were just really great people," said Rachel Stauffer, 15. "They could make anyone laugh."
They shouldn't have been robbing in the first place. When one does stupid things, he should expect to reap the the consequeces. Yeah it was a little over the top, but thats the chance one takes when he breaks into someone's house. In the shooter's mind, he had already been broken into numerous times, and if you have ever had vermin/pests you seek to eradicate them. I am sorry for the family's loss, but they are fault for not teaching their kids right from wrong. Let it be a lesson to the nation, that if you break into to someone's house that there is a chance you may not be walking back out that house. They are lucky that they weren't tortured for months and years, then put to death. Honestly, as in the Trayvon case, I have no remorse for the victim/victims.
One question I had was assumed robbery. Some comments and things suggested they were on drugs at the time? So perhaps in a meth high or something wondered in. Doesn't negate a castle doctrine type deal as they are intruders regardless. (But Minnesota apparently doesn't have such a law anyways.)
A little over the top Drill? Latest report was that he stated shot the 2nd with the rifle, then retrieved a .22 shot her with that before the execution. The whole 24 hours since it was even reported raises questions like the possibility of something even more nefarious since this is all based on his statements. (Ie maybe they were even lured there.)
The more I think about this, the more it doesn't add up. They know the guy has guns (apparently everyone did, including the cops), and shoots "often", so they go out of their way to break in to his house(past "no trespassing" signs), then rather than take whatever was of value upstairs and bail, they go wandering downstairs in search of the guy? And after he shoots intruder number 1, intruder number 2 continues to move down the stairs to see if she can collect a couple of rounds for herself? This is sounding more and more like some kind of premeditated murder. I'm going to try to continue to follow this to see what comes to light as the investigation proceeds.
This is what I have issue with- I'm not going to risk my life to try to aim for a wounding shot, I'm going to quickly and as accurately as possible aim for center mass and shoot to eliminate the threat. If the threat ceases but isn't dead, yes, a wounded man will be transferred to police, if they do die from my defense, then so be it, but for an LE agency spokesman to say shoot them non-fatally and call us is just silly. If you shoot, you shouldn't be shooting to kill or wound, you should be shooting to stop the imminent threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by alxone
I'm with you. A shot to the leg or shoulder could kill while a center of mass shot might just wound. There is no "shoot just to wound" shot. Shoot until the threat is removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13