I hesitated to share this, but...

Now seems appropriate... I know how a few of you feel about me, but let's look past the past, let's look toward the future....

Just after the 2012 Presidential Election, like most of you, I was fed up with the BS, the two-party system, and the constant division between us as citizens of these United States of America. Instead of constantly bitching, moaning, etc. I decided I'd stand up and do something. Now, it's still in the infant stages, and I'm working out the kinks, but I do need help and support. I've created the American Constitutionalist Party, a political party that would move away from partisanship, and fight to solidify, educate, and preserve the Constitution in all forms of life, politics, and legislation. Granted, after founding this movement, I realize it's not going to be swift, or easy, but at least I'm taking the steps in the right direction to try to help right the sails of America's boat. Anyway that any of you could help, I would appreciate it, as I'm sure we're probably all on the same page on this issue. If you're an FB user, swing by... I'll try to get more content and perhaps even a website up soon... But like I said, infant stage, you gotta crawl before you can walk.
Thanks! [Beer]
http://www.facebook.com/AmericanConstitutionalistParty

You are aware there is already a Constitution Party, right?

Not trying to bust your balls over it, but it may end up in some confusion. You have my respect for actually doing something to try to make a difference. Most of us just sit here on our asses and yell at our computers.

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

You are aware there is already a Constitution Party, right?

Not trying to bust your balls over it, but it may end up in some confusion. You have my respect for actually doing something to try to make a difference. Most of us just sit here on our asses and yell at our computers.

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Yes, I'm aware of the Constitution Party- but they seemed to be too Right/Religious leaning... I set it up to more reflect what Jefferson believed, religious freedom without favor given to any religion. The Constitution Party make issue of things like Abortion, gay marriage, etc. Things that aren't specified in the Constitution, Bill Of Rights, and Federalist Papers, and things that should be left out of national politics (one of the reasons I'm so fed up with the GOP). Penn Jillette puts it well "Freedom of religion also includes freedom from​ religion, at the individual's choosing." That's the key, Individual rights and responsibilities.

I like your stance on everything you listed. The Libertarian party feels the same way. Penn and Teller are both Libertarians and (at least Penn) said he voted for GJ. Just sayin'. [Welcom]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsXxUKjklt8

How is your party different from the Libertarian party? (Sorry if it's already outlined on your Facebook page, I don't do the Facebook thing, so I can't see it)

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Originally Posted by Fentonite

How is your party different from the Libertarian party? (Sorry if it's already outlined on your Facebook page, I don't do the Facebook thing, so I can't see it)

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Great question...
I'm just going to cut and paste- hope you don't mind, it's easier and takes up less time:
About



A party based upon the ideals set forth by the founding fathers of this nation, pushing away from party lines and focusing on preserving the Constitution.
Mission
To ensure liberty, freedom, and responsibility, and return America to the ideals and beliefs intended by it's founders. To promote true freedom and liberty and end division among Americans, and preserve and protect the Constitution and it's intent.
Description
A party based upon the ideals set forth by the founding fathers of this nation, in order to ensure a more perfect union, preserve, protect, and defend the constitution, and base ideology and belief structure on the intended beliefs put forth by the constitution of the United States. Focusing on preservation of freedom and liberty, outlined in the Declaration of Independence, US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Federalist papers- we seek to end division by partisan politics, ensure liberty, maintain state sovereignty, reduce federal powers, promote individual responsibility and patriotism, and restore America to the direction intended in its founding in 1776 while keeping with the changing times and adapting to future issues.

The ideals of the ACP:
-The constitution must be honored, preserved, and protected.
-Our government must be and work for the people, by the people and of the people.
-America was founded in the name of liberty, freedom, and justice for all equally, and must remain so.
-The Bill of Rights outlines the freedoms endowed by our creator (free to believe in whichever creator you choose), and the freedoms outlined are to be respected, upheld, and protected no matter what.
-The strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person's dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored.
-The proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations, and that the best government is that which governs least. Furthermore, the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government closest to the people.
-Matters of international concern should only be contended with if it serves the interest of the American people and our allies.
-Elected officials work for the people, not themselves or their own interests. Partaking in government is meant to be a service to your nation, not yourself.
-States must be free to govern themselves freely within the confines of their powers outlined in the constitution (welfare and social issues should be decided at the state level).
-A free market society is important to preserve a free society and economy- but the central banking system in place hinders a truly free market economy.
-Freedom is non-negotiable- this is especially true of the Bill of Rights.
-Individual responsibility is vital.
-To stay free, we must stay strong.
-Finally, it is the official stance of the ACP that the United Nations shall not, will not, ever, under any circumstances, govern the United States, especially if that governance infringes upon the freedoms and liberties of America.

I could get behind this.

I congratulate you on trying to do something. I will also caution once again that increased division amongst non-Socialists will just lead to continued victories by the united Socialists/Communists/antiestablishmentarians/etc.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Yes, I'm aware of the Constitution Party- but they seemed to be too Right/Religious leaning... I set it up to more reflect what Jefferson believed, religious freedom without favor given to any religion. The Constitution Party make issue of things like Abortion, gay marriage, etc. Things that aren't specified in the Constitution, Bill Of Rights, and Federalist Papers, and things that should be left out of national politics (one of the reasons I'm so fed up with the GOP). Penn Jillette puts it well "Freedom of religion also includes freedom from​ religion, at the individual's choosing." That's the key, Individual rights and responsibilities.

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Those are my thoughts almost exactly. If the repubs didnt concentrate on social crap that should be handled at a personal level they might have beat Obama.

"I congratulate you on trying to do something. I will also caution once again that increased division amongst non-Socialists will just lead to continued victories by the united Socialists/Communists/antiestablishmentarians/etc"

If you are talking about 'dividing/wasting' the vote, that really doesn't matter - the Free Shit Army (FSA) now constitutes a majority of the electorate. We cannot vote our way out of the loss of Liberty and the decline and fall of Western Civilization. The only possible use for political action is to help the remnants of the productive classes to wake up.

The FSA's march to victory is all but insured as long as we allow ourselves to be deluded into wasting our efforts on ordinary political campaigns. This was the failure of the Libertarian Party; they lost their vision and became just another party trying to actually elect candidates instead of using the process to get the message out. Reagan's rhetoric (unfortunately not his actions) stands as proof of how close they were to success right before they threw it away.

On another note, the problem I see with this proposed new party is that it venerates the very Constitution that either enabled or (something quite different) was unable to prevent the death of Liberty in America. The Constitution was a behind-closed-doors counter-revolutionary coup d'etat - the 'people' never got the chance to vote it up or down (except in Connecticut, where it took eleven or twelve attempts before it wore down the opposition and passed), nor were they permitted the slightest input. It is interesting that the Federalists rammed it through while their chief opponent (Jefferson) was conveniently on the other side of the Atlantic. How about a 'Declaration of Independence' party...

And, for what it might be worth, your so-called 'antiestablishmentarians' are not anti-establishment; the establishment is, in fact, collectivist at this time in our history.

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On another note, the problem I see with this proposed new party is that it venerates the very Constitution that either enabled or (something quite different) was unable to prevent the death of Liberty in America.

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The Constitution wasn't responsible for the death of liberty in America. We are.

The death of Liberty was gradual - every generation (including the founding generation) 'compromised' a little bit. The Constitution was a large increase in central government power at the expense of that recently hard-won Liberty. Read Lysander Spooner's "No Treason" for a better understanding of the problem. When you 'compromise' away a little bit of Liberty at a time for a long enough time, you lose it all; the Grand Canyon is an excellent physical example of the process.

By the middle of the nineteenth century, enough damage had been done that the Second American Revolution became inevitable. That one did not turn out so well, but, as the old expression has it, "The third time's the charm." Coming soon to a town near you...

That's what I said. "We" are. As in, "We the People". Through compromise and folly and ignorance and selfishness.