Gun mania...

With all this gun crazy-ness I've had a lot of friends tell me they want to get their CCW and they want to carry a gun to protect themselves but they don't want to carry it with a round in the chamber due to it accidentally discharging and accidentally shooting something...

This makes me extremely concerned. Fact is all these people are starting to carry firearms without any training or actual thought of what happens in a gun fight. They think they will have the mental capacity when someone is shooting at them to draw a weapon, rack the slide, aim at the target (while possibly taking fire), and accurately hit the target. In the time it will take them to rack the slide I could get two or three good hits on a target.

Fact is. If you're in a gun fight, when you ready a firearm you expect it to go bang when you squeeze the trigger. If they're actually trying to shoot a bad guy and a bullet isn't in the chamber? Well they're fucked. If they actually do have a round in the chamber and shoot? Due to them not getting training and just buying because they're going to be banned soon. We're going to see dead innocents due to their lack of skills.

I think we all have a responsibility to tell all these people to GET TRAINING before actually carrying the firearm. I sure as hell don't want a bullet in me because someone decided to be an idiot and misses.

Just thought it should be said.

Welcome to a free society. It's not always pretty.

You don't get to dictate what someone else needs based on how you feel or what concerns you.

I also recommend people seek training. I recommend some basic pistol marksmanship (Larry Vickers is the best instructor for that subject that I've ever attended) and something like the Shivworks ECQC class to get an idea of how distance = time and fighting over a gun can go bad, no matter how strong/fit you are. All that being said, most people aren't going to drop big money on classes. That's just reality. I'd still rather have people carrying guns than not.

I thought we'd have carnage in the street without a training requirement.

Then I found out that, with a training requirement we don't.

Then I found out what a damn joke our "training requirement" is in this state. When Rich Wyatt can advertise a no-live-fire no-test class which a sheriff will honor, we don't have a training requirement worth mentioning.

And yet, we don't have blood flowing down the sidewalks. All of that bad stuff just never materialized.

i just wonder WTF these people have been for the last 5 to 10 years? Really? Nothing changed in "your" life in the last week, but NOW all of a sudden we should get a CCW?

I mean good for more people carrying and owning, but damn WTF TOOK THEM SO LONG?

I always... always suggest a class that has them fire several types of weapons "So you can see which kind you will like shooting" BEFORE they buy a Gun!
and then I do the "let's go rent and shoot together to find your gun" afterwards to kind of mentor.
We as a community have an obligation to kind of steer new members to the community. Not everyone had an awesome Dad.
Hopefully it will keep the negative incidents out of the news.

only 2 ways to people are gonna learn , trail by fire and training .

As far as someone not wanting to carry with a round chambered, that's just a lack of knowledge on their part. I'm sure if someone explained some of the safety devices present on every newly manufactured firearm they would feel better about it. There's a reason manufacturers utilize things like transfer bars and firing pin blocks.

I'm averaging a couple calls a night about the same thing. Then i fully understood the severity of the situation when people were bragging about this on the radio last night (am630). Bragging about getting their certificate in 2 hours, and having their app sent off the same day, with zero training. I think we're going to hurt ourselves when a CCW screws up and puts a bullet in themselves or another non intended target by not knowing how to work a damn gun. Best thing...Mandatory USPSA/IPDA ranges/competitions would be sweet.

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Originally Posted by Ashton

With all this gun crazy-ness I've had a lot of friends tell me they want to get their CCW and they want to carry a gun to protect themselves but they don't want to carry it with a round in the chamber due to it accidentally discharging and accidentally shooting something...

This makes me extremely concerned. Fact is all these people are starting to carry firearms without any training or actual thought of what happens in a gun fight. They think they will have the mental capacity when someone is shooting at them to draw a weapon, rack the slide, aim at the target (while possibly taking fire), and accurately hit the target. In the time it will take them to rack the slide I could get two or three good hits on a target.

Fact is. If you're in a gun fight, when you ready a firearm you expect it to go bang when you squeeze the trigger. If they're actually trying to shoot a bad guy and a bullet isn't in the chamber? Well they're fucked. If they actually do have a round in the chamber and shoot? Due to them not getting training and just buying because they're going to be banned soon. We're going to see dead innocents due to their lack of skills.

I think we all have a responsibility to tell all these people to GET TRAINING before actually carrying the firearm. I sure as hell don't want a bullet in me because someone decided to be an idiot and misses.

Just thought it should be said.

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Originally Posted by buckshotbarlow

I'm averaging a couple calls a night about the same thing. Then i fully understood the severity of the situation when people were bragging about this on the radio last night (am630). Bragging about getting their certificate in 2 hours, and having their app sent off the same day, with zero training. I think we're going to hurt ourselves when a CCW screws up and puts a bullet in themselves or another non intended target by not knowing how to work a damn gun. Best thing...Mandatory USPSA/IPDA ranges/competitions would be sweet.

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We pay for it every time someone goes to youtube and looks for any number of videos of careless "experts" putting a round through their leg.

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

I always... always suggest a class that has them fire several types of weapons "So you can see which kind you will like shooting" BEFORE they buy a Gun!
and then I do the "let's go rent and shoot together to find your gun" afterwards to kind of mentor.
We as a community have an obligation to kind of steer new members to the community. Not everyone had an awesome Dad.
Hopefully it will keep the negative incidents out of the news.

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+1 I took my family to Lead Valley near Byers a couple of summers ago for a test firing class where you fire about 5 rounds thru .22lr, .380, .38, 9mm, .40, .45, and .44 magnum - gives you a good idea what to expect before purchasing. I also like the idea of starting new shooters on .22lr first to get the basics underway and get the flinching stopped.

If they are your friends steer them toward some training then they'll steer their friends. I'm a fan of training but not more mandatory anything, people need to take responsibility for themselves. Let's stop wrapping laws around our fears.

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Originally Posted by JohnTRourke

i just wonder WTF these people have been for the last 5 to 10 years? Really? Nothing changed in "your" life in the last week, but NOW all of a sudden we should get a CCW?

I mean good for more people carrying and owning, but damn WTF TOOK THEM SO LONG?

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Absolutely. I am, like other's here an instructor for 15 yrs. In 2 days i have had to recharge my phone a few times, from all the calls i've been getting. I relate this 'rush" to taking a road trip. You don't wait till you run out of gas to fill up. Acting because of the storm clouds over head and expecting a class TODAY is well, not realistic.

FFS. Here we go with mandatory training bullshit again. Now we've evolved to mandatory participation in USPSA/IDPA. Some of you guys are such hypocrites, talking outta both sides of your ass.

On the one side you rant and rave about further restrictions of you 2nd Amend rights and outta the other side you want government mandated training and forcing people to participate in competition.

It's no fucking wonder the liberals think gun people are crazy. It makes my head wanna explode. You know what? When you people get your mandated training and you can't meet the standards for one reason or another and you can no longer carry a gun...fuck you. You got what you asked for.

You either believe the 2nd Amend means what it says or you don't. If you don't believe it says what is says, that's fine. Just don't be a hypocrite about it.

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Originally Posted by JohnTRourke

i just wonder WTF these people have been for the last 5 to 10 years? Really? Nothing changed in "your" life in the last week, but NOW all of a sudden we should get a CCW?

I mean good for more people carrying and owning, but damn WTF TOOK THEM SO LONG?

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Some times it takes a while for people to "see the light". People's positions on issues evolve over time. I try not to be too harsh just because someone FINALLY comes to the realization that they are responsible for their own safety. Good for them.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

FFS. Here we go with mandatory training bullshit again. Now we've evolved to mandatory participation in USPSA/IDPA. Some of you guys are such hypocrites, talking outta both sides of your ass.

On the one side you rant and rave about further restrictions of you 2nd Amend rights and outta the other side you want government mandated training and forcing people to participate in competition.

It's no fucking wonder the liberals think gun people are crazy. It makes my head wanna explode. You know what? When you people get your mandated training and you can't meet the standards for one reason or another and you can no longer carry a gun...fuck you. You got what you asked for.

You either believe the 2nd Amend means what it says or you don't. If you don't believe it says what is says, that's fine. Just don't be a hypocrite about it.

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100% agree
i keep hearing people saying a sanity test is in order . well what happens when a disagreement of ideas/ideals becomes considered crazy . at what point do we say to hell with it anyone who wants a gun is crazy .
the only thing i have heard that even sounds reasonable (not really ) is a 4473 for all sales private and public . but then that would mean a registration of each firearm .
none of it sound all that desirable , practical or like a preventive measure for those that chose to commit a crime with a firearm

it bears repeating: "Hi, my house is on fire. Can you come down to Home Depot and help me pick out a fire extinguisher?" [Bang]

As far as training goes, I encourage people to get as much training as they can, but I think the current training requirement should be dropped. There's nothing that says anyone has to pass a grammar test to exercise their First Amendment rights (luck for some here!), so why should the Second be any different?

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

it bears repeating: There's nothing that says anyone has to pass a grammar test to exercise their First Amendment rights (luck for some here!)

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[dammit] i resemble that remark [ROFL2]

As do I on occasion. My brain has perfect spelling and grammar, but my fingers flunked out of 8th grade...

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Originally Posted by Ashton

I think we all have a responsibility to tell all these people to GET TRAINING before actually carrying the firearm. I sure as hell don't want a bullet in me because someone decided to be an idiot and misses.

Just thought it should be said.

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I think you've already said what really needs to be done. Offer some educated information to them regarding the benefits of carrying with a round in the chamber and the need of a good holster. Suggest some training classes for them. Dont be a know it all ass about it and make them feel more uncomfortable. Future gun owners and people with CCW are what we need. They just need some training and positive direction.

Welcome to the club, late as usual. All it takes is money to play. Those have been my responses lately.

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Originally Posted by hghclsswhitetrsh

Welcome to the club, late as usual. All it takes is money to play. Those have been my responses lately.

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This was my reason for waiting so long.

Just started out with a family member on 22lr. Key points now are shooting basics and safety. He keeps reminding me that there are no mulligans. This stuff is for keeps. He stressed the importance of getting quality training and making sure live fire is part of the course.

you guys offer up good advise. thanks.