America has been disarmed

I don't usually do these kind of posts, but.....
Was just doing a little online ammo shopping knowing the .223 was out of the question, but maybe I could beef up my collection of .22 or 9mm.... Nope, all gone from my usual places. If its pretty much gone from where I shop, it is certainly gone from where most gun owners shop.
That got me to thinking about the people that are not tremendous gun enthusiasts, but shoot once in a while. People like my father-in-law who owns a few guns, but picks up ammo on the way to the range. Sure, he might have a box or two laying around, but he doesn't have thousands of rounds for each caliber. Most of us would consider 10-50 rounds nothing. Of all the millions of guns in America, how many have a reasonable amount of ammo to get through something terrible.
So that got me thinking about all the guys out there that are as patriotic as any one of us, but might only own a 10/22, or maybe nothing at all. What do they do if "it" hits the fan? There is no ammo on store shelves. There are very few guns left for sale in the stores. Magazines... forget about it.
I've read plenty of "what if" posts in my years here. Zombies, government meltdown, foreign invasion, etc...people always post about hitting the closest local sporting goods store to supply up. I would guess you would have a hard time finding an air soft gun right now.
So my point is... Is America disarmed right now?
Sure, some have lots of guns and plenty of ammo, but I bet that it is a very small percentage of gun owners.
Right now the price of a semi auto gun, magazines, and ammo is out of most people's ability. I would also bet very few Americans that would like to be armed know about forums like this where they could access private sales.
I seriously doubt any legislation could be passed that would wipe out the availability of guns and ammo as fast as the recent shootings have. I don't have any answers, and I'm not about to donate the 1 or 2 guns I have, but the liberals would laugh if they knew how un-attainable firearms are to the average American right now without a single thing being done by Obummer.

We've been through this before 4 years ago to be exact it will pass, and the shelves will be full again then maybe the people who went without for a while will slowly stock up and not wait for the next [panic] to come around.

There is a great deal of difference between "gun owners" and "shooters". America has a metric fuck ton of gun owners and not enough shooters.

I see it as the exact opposite. It's not like the ammo, mags and guns disappeared. They were all bought. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of newly armed citizens in our country. We're more armed now than we ever were. And for those who find themselves lacking in basic supplies, learn something from this. Prepare better. This panic will eventually blow over and basic necessities like ammo will come back in stock at more reasonable prices. Buy a little extra every month. Plan for a rainy day. This will all happen again.

4 years ago the shortage was caused primarily by a shortage in primers that eventually rectified itself. I think the shortage now is simply panic buying but we'll see if ammunition manufacturers report any reason to slow down in their production.

I just want some .22lr please sir just a brick of it please[my precious

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Originally Posted by DFBrews

I just want some .22lr please sir just a brick of it please[my precious

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MMMMMMMMM who has 22 ammo;)

Maybe, just maybe, the gun industry is the industry to save the economy. If you think that ALL the manufacturers that produce guns and ammo and all associated goods aren't ramping up production as we speak you are are naive. And there's a TON of other industry that these producers support. Gun bidness is good and when bidness is good EVERYBODY gets in it. Politically correct or not. This just may be a good thing in the long run.

I'm in NE visiting and Walmart has the shelves completely full EXCEPT for .223 Damn corn folk!

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Originally Posted by asmotao

metric fuck ton

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My new unit of measure.[Beer]

Well, I'm hearing from friends that claim many others are just now trying to buy guns and ammo, finding there isn't any or can't get the guns they wanted. I know people who were going to buy a few months ago, but decided to wait a bit to save up some more cash, they are now out of luck too.

I'd like to have another brick of 22s, but haven't seen one in a month or two now. Sportsmans had pallets of 22's a while back, I thought I'd buy some next trip. NOT!

One of my brothers emailed me the other day, wanting to know where to get an AR. I just laughed at him, "be a snoozer, end up a loser!"

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Originally Posted by Adawg38

I'm in NE visiting and Walmart has the shelves completely full EXCEPT for .223 Damn corn folk!

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Buy all the 22 you have funds for and off load here. OR my house on the way back down 76 or 80.

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Originally Posted by car-15

We've been through this before 4 years ago to be exact it will pass, and the shelves will be full again then maybe the people who went without for a while will slowly stock up and not wait for the next [panic] to come around.

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I hope so, I am dying to get on the range and can't find ammo at a decent price!

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Originally Posted by jim

Buy all the 22 you have funds for and off load here. OR my house on the way back down 76 or 80.

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This^^^. You could unload all you can haul here. Probably even pay for the gas used on your trip.

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Originally Posted by DFBrews

I just want some .22lr please sir just a brick of it please[my precious

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Originally Posted by jim

MMMMMMMMM who has 22 ammo;)

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Why.. I happen to have 5k rds of .22 lr :)

You haven't seen jim's stash?? I have over 8k and I thought I have enough until I see jim's. Each time I was there, I grab a handful and sneak them into my pocket.... shhhhh

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Originally Posted by Monky

Why.. I happen to have 5k rds of .22 lr :)

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Holy shit man... I have a few dozen bricks if you need it.

:D

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Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey

You haven't seen jim's stash?? I have over 8k and I thought I have enough until I see jim's. Each time I was there, I grab a handful and sneak them into my pocket.... shhhhh

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Hence CHUNKY. FWIW: I sold most of it today and going to pay off our mortgage, wednesday. PROFITEERS I TELL YA PROFITEERS

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Originally Posted by jim

Hence CHUNKY. FWIW: I sold most of it today and going to pay off our mortgage, wednesday. PROFITEERS I TELL YA PROFITEERS

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NICE!!! Nothing more satisfying than the day you pay off the damn mortgage.

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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke

Holy shit man... I have a few dozen bricks if you need it.

:D

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Well if you want to just give..

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Originally Posted by asmotao

There is a great deal of difference between "gun owners" and "shooters". America has a metric fuck ton of gun owners and not enough shooters.

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Quoted for truth.

I'm having a hell of a time just finding some regular ol .45ACP 230Gr.

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Originally Posted by DrkZide

I'm having a hell of a time just finding some regular ol .45ACP 230Gr.

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Denver Bullet usually has abundance of .45

I have a feeling its going to be different this time, hope ammo comes back

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Originally Posted by car-15

We've been through this before 4 years ago to be exact it will pass, and the shelves will be full again then maybe the people who went without for a while will slowly stock up and not wait for the next [panic] to come around.

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It's not that we have been disarmed [YET] but more unprepared. Not having on hand say 500-1000 rounds per firearm is UNPREPARED. Magazines. well that speaks for itself. Especially when you hear, " i have 2 mags that came with the gun" Come 6 years later the same person is complaining about "price gouging, this ffl charged me that", etc. Poor planning on your part (generalization) does not constitute and emergency on my part
We see ammo on line, or on the shelf, we buy it. I don't feel we have enough on hand, however we will get by. YMMV

Thank You Jim well said

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Originally Posted by jim

It's not that we have been disarmed [YET] but more unprepared. Not having on hand say 500-1000 rounds per firearm is UNPREPARED. Magazines. well that speaks for itself. Especially when you hear, " i have 2 mags that came with the gun" Come 6 years later the same person is complaining about "price gouging, this ffl charged me that", etc. Poor planning on your part (generalization) does not constitute and emergency on my part
We see ammo on line, or on the shelf, we buy it. I don't feel we have enough on hand, however we will get by. YMMV

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Originally Posted by jim

Buy all the 22 you have funds for and off load here. OR my house on the way back down 76 or 80.

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I'll just have to try and make another Walmart trip and do that. Funny, I thought it was just .223 sold out. I never thought that .22 was in trouble as well until I read this post. Shows how often I get out and shop.

Well, there are gun owners, gun enthusists, hunters, casual shooters and then competitors. I doubt the average US gun owner goes through even 50 rounds a year. The avid hunter might go through a few hundred rounds a year. There are competitors who go through well over 100K rounds annually. The average 3 gunner/USPSA pistol competitor is probably in the 10K range...half are shooting more and half less, but that is a LOT of ammo.

On December 15th, my family went to the range to shot steel challenge...we went through 1200 rounds in one day! I try to keep about a year supply on hand, but if this keeps up much longer, I will have to dig into my supply or cut back on shooting matches...already cut out the live fire practice.

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Originally Posted by MarkCO

Well, there are gun owners, gun enthusists, hunters, casual shooters and then competitors. I doubt the average US gun owner goes through even 50 rounds a year. The avid hunter might go through a few hundred rounds a year. There are competitors who go through well over 100K rounds annually. The average 3 gunner/USPSA pistol competitor is probably in the 10K range...half are shooting more and half less, but that is a LOT of ammo.

On December 15th, my family went to the range to shot steel challenge...we went through 1200 rounds in one day! I try to keep about a year supply on hand, but if this keeps up much longer, I will have to dig into my supply or cut back on shooting matches...already cut out the live fire practice.

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That is where I have found myself. I bought a couple thousand rounds for plinking, just before all of this went south and now I really don't want to be shooting it up.

I make sure I have enough to arm me, my family and some closest friends, and some neighbors...I figure they can help secure the area around me.

Im probably considered over prepared

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Originally Posted by jim

I don't feel we have enough on hand, however we will get by. YMMV

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For years I have been buying .22lr anytime it falls below $20/brick. Everything else I reload. No matter how much I have, it never feels like enough.

And regarding the OP, just about every good SHTF book out there address the fact that most gun owners only have a box or two of ammo at home. And I think it is the truth.

They shoot 5 rounds to sight in their rifle for hunting season, 1 or 2 bagging a deer and that leaves most of the box left for next year. If they have a pistol, they MIGHT shoot it once per year. If that's a whole box, it's a lot. They keep one box at home and pick up one box on the way to the range for their annual shoot.

I think the majority of the ammo lives with a minority of the gun owners.

I really hope a lot of guys buy ammo instead of depreciating crap in the future. Instead of doing a stupid stereo system or another gaming system buy ammo. It makes us all safer and more prepared.