Rep Paul Ryan CoSponsors Fetal Personhood Bill

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2440365.html

I have no idea why turnout for non-religious conservatives was way down this past election.

No idea at all.

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yes. talking to some of my conservative or center leaning friends: this is the #1 reason why they either did not vote, or help elect Obama twice....

Fucking moron.. and we wonder why the Republican party is loosing..

Look get the fuck out of my wallet, out of my business, and out of my bedroom.. I can handle the rest.

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Originally Posted by asmotao

Look get the fuck out of my wallet, out of my business, and out of my bedroom.. I can handle the rest.

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Exactly.

Looks like be wont be running, well, winning the primaries in 2016.

And how is this any different from anti-gun speak?

I have an equal disdain for both parties' obsession with infringing on our rights and liberties.

nothing gets women out to vote like telling them you are going to dictate what they can do with their vaj

All the gun-toting, liberty-loving women I know either voted for BO, voted for Johnson, or didn't vote at all for this very reason. Now they all feel totally vindicated. Way to go, dipshit.

Religion, morality, politics and "rights" aside, I have a hard time seeing much difference between the "doctors" in a Planned Parenthood clinic and Adam Lanza.

It may not be politically expedient, but I have to respect those that stand up for innocent human life.

If the only way to win is to reject basic human decency then I guess I'm going to lose.
(I also reject the foolishness that Republicans can only win by becoming Democrat-Lite).

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

All the gun-toting, liberty-loving women I know either voted for BO, voted for Johnson, or didn't vote at all for this very reason. Now they all feel totally vindicated. Way to go, dipshit.

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Any gun-toter or liberty lover that voted for BO was lying to him or herself.

Um Reagan was very prolife and he had no trouble being a monumental figure in politics. The party is suffering from not having any charismatic figures, not its positions.

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Originally Posted by Southbridge

Um Reagan was very prolife and he had no trouble being a monumental figure in politics. The party is suffering from not having any charismatic figures, not its positions.

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positions like these are not helping anything

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

Any gun-toter or liberty lover that voted for BO was lying to him or herself.

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Not when it's a woman voter you're talking about, and the other guy was consistently spouting how he's going to try to overturn Roe v Wade and end Planned Parenthood when it's not even a current issue. The ones who voted for BO were voting against Ryan. I'm sure you're all familiar with that concept of voting for the guy you hate the least, as it's what most of you did.

Again, legislating this issue at the federal level is outside the bounds of authority granted to Congress. It's fine to be against abortion (I am as well, for the record), that's your right to stand on your moral/religious convictions, but this is a State level issue at most.

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Originally Posted by merl

positions like these are not helping anything

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Very impressive rebuttal.I provide an example that disproves the premise and you respond with a baseless opinion. Furthermore several latest polls show that more Americans identify as prolife than proabortion.But sure its the policies not the lack luster candidates.

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

Not when it's a woman voter you're talking about, and the other guy was consistently spouting how he's going to try to overturn Roe v Wade and end Planned Parenthood when it's not even a current issue. The ones who voted for BO were voting against Ryan. I'm sure you're all familiar with that concept of voting for the guy you hate the least, as it's what most of you did.

Again, legislating this issue at the federal level is outside the bounds of authority granted to Congress. It's fine to be against abortion (I am as well, for the record), that's your right to stand on your moral/religious convictions, but this is a State level issue at most.

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No, she was lying to herself if she claimed to be for the Second Amendment and liberty and voted for BO. Obama's documented track record is hugely anti-gun and strongly for government interference in personal liberties with the exceptions of forcing not just acceptance but public financing of abortions and pushing the homosexual agenda (not just tolerance but endorsement). In her mind, that one particular liberty outweighs all the other liberties trampled on by Obama's theory of government including the Second Amendment.

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Originally Posted by Southbridge

Um Reagan was very prolife and he had no trouble being a monumental figure in politics. The party is suffering from not having any charismatic figures, not its positions.

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There has been quite a shift in public thinking since those years.. Gay marriage anyone? Ultimately the party has to unite under fiscal, not moral, conservatism or it will die. This has been opined by many political strategists and its one of the reasons why the Tea Party movement scared the hell out of the GOP (and the Democrats - who have seen what a united republican party is capable of).

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Originally Posted by Southbridge

Very impressive rebuttal.I provide an example that disproves the premise and you respond with a baseless opinion. Furthermore several latest polls show that more Americans identify as prolife than proabortion.But sure its the policies not the lack luster candidates.

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Teufelhund explained it quite well ione post up. When you drive away 50% of the population it can be hard to win an election. There were major gaffs about abortion and sex during the last election cycle that drove women away from the (R) party.
Prolife/abortion are personal decisions, family decisions. It is not a decision to be made at government level.

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

No, she was lying to herself if she claimed to be for the Second Amendment and liberty and voted for BO. Obama's documented track record is hugely anti-gun and strongly for government interference in personal liberties with the exceptions of forcing not just acceptance but public financing of abortions and pushing the homosexual agenda (not just tolerance but endorsement). In her mind, that one particular liberty outweighs all the other liberties trampled on by Obama's theory of government including the Second Amendment.

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Just because those are the most important issues to you and I, does not necessarily make it so for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by asmotao

Look get the fuck out of my wallet, out of my business, and out of my bedroom.. I can handle the rest.

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TRUTH.

Re quoted in my sig.

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Look get the fuck out of my wallet, out of my business, and out of my bedroom.. I can handle the rest.

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Originally Posted by Colorado_Outback

TRUTH.

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Stupid mofo just lost 2016 with 4 years to spare.

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Originally Posted by Southbridge

Um Reagan was very prolife and he had no trouble being a monumental figure in politics. The party is suffering from not having any charismatic figures, not its positions.

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Regan was also elected at a time when women and minorities did not show up to the polls in large enough numbers to sway the vote. This is no longer the case and women and minorities make up a very large percentage of the voter base today.

I know several women who voted conservative in the past but now vote for democrats because of the republican stance on abortion. Many of whom are prolife but strongly believe that the choice should be made by the person and not by a legislator because a politician has no right to tell a woman what she can and can not do with her body. First we start with abortions and then we start limiting the types of birth control a woman can use, the age a women is allowed to start taking birth control, etc. etc.

If the Republicans want to win another presidency they need a candidate that will come center on social issues. Abortion is a HUGE social issue and will cost future elections if the Republican candidates do not back down on the issue.

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Regan was also elected at a time when women and minorities did not show up to the polls in large enough numbers to sway the vote. This is no longer the case and women and minorities make up a very large percentage of the voter base today.

I know several women who voted conservative in the past but now vote for democrats because of the republican stance on abortion. Many of whom are prolife but strongly believe that the choice should be made by the person and not by a legislator because a politician has no right to tell a woman what she can and can not do with her body. First we start with abortions and then we start limiting the types of birth control a woman can use, the age a women is allowed to start taking birth control, etc. etc.

If the Republicans want to win another presidency they need a candidate that will come center on social issues. Abortion is a HUGE social issue and will cost future elections if the Republican candidates do not back down on the issue.

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Exactly. I had debates with female friends about this and they all voted for O exactly for this reason. Paraphrased: "I cannot vote for someone who is opposed to supporting women's rights." I explained that it was more likely for O to take away rights than R, but they were firm. Don't forget that 99.99999% of election issues are emotional. People don't use their brains because the advertisements don't WANT you to use your brains. O proved that point... so the Republicans better get that through their collective thick skulls or they will drive themselves into mediocrity for the next decade. We ALL lose if that happens.

The biggest problem is that both the D's and R's refuse to come to center. They feel like they have to go more extreme. Sure, the R's won the support of the extreme and religious right, but they lost a lot of center leaning conservatives. Remember, a vote for O wasn't necessarily a vote for "free stuff" (though don't get me wrong, that played a big part) it was also a vote for the status quo. They were wrong, and stupid, because now O feels he has a mandate to do stupid shit like raise taxes, but really, that's what they were hoping for.

few clicks in the direction of libertarianism, and the gop would probably have a majority almost everywhere.