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I'm glad he called dispatch ahead of time.
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I'm glad he called dispatch ahead of time.
IMHO I don't think this does anything to help our cause. Simply makes us look like a bunch of gun toting wackjobs. His foresight to alert LE was a good thought and shows he is responsible, but frankly I don't see any upside to his actions.
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The act of a total retard who just wants attention.
What a Dickweed!!
Dumbass
total friggin idiot...that being said, I have on a few occasions needed to go into a store with rifle in-tow since I drive a jeep and am not about to just leave it lying in the back (in the open), but using a soft-case (with shoulder-strap) goes one hell of a long way towards staying low-profile, and letting an employee near the entrance know what you’re doing probably doesn’t hurt either. Hell, one time I even had a store manager ask if he could check it out and then start asking about build-details :)
People just need to chill out. Aren't you tired of the pussy footing around with firearms so that just the appearance of one upsets someone to the point of needing psychiatric help? It's irrational to fear them like our society does.
I guess it's OK to have them as long as nobody ever sees them or ever uses them outside of their homes.
Just keep treating them like cigarettes and create a taboo around them. Make people that have them out to be less deserving than the rest of society. Keep up the direction to stigmatize firearms. That sounds like a road to a positive outcome. [dig]
I don't know, I have mixed feelings. Maybe not the smartest thing, but there was a time when people just accepted seeing open carry as part of daily life. Would it be so bad if this was widely accepted again?
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Exactly, just feeds the anti-gun skurred people, ugh. And now his picture will go viral and help promote the anti-gun cause. Idiots like this are HELPING the administration make it's case!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooskibar03
just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
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Westburo Baptist Church using the 1st Amendment for their crap.
Burning the stars and stripes to protest how you don't get enough free stuff.
Don't like it but accept it as your right. You can do it, but.....doesn't mean you should (IMHO).
ETA: Carrying AR-15 in public is not anywhere as reprehensible as my two examples-just the first two extremes that came to mind
In what way is it acceptable to those that are anti-gun?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghosty
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Just bought about 200 bucks worth of ammo at Walmart and felt like a criminal.
Definitely mixed feelings on what this guy is doing.
We all state that "need" has nothing to with our rights. This guy definitely didn't "need" to carry a rifle into a store.
I didn't say it was acceptable to them, I meant the opposite, it gives them ammo that the pro-gun people are endagering their kids, even shopping at the mall. This isn't Israel or Africa, people aren't open-carrying at a level where it won't shock MANY regular people, especially in public places.
Was it his only form of self-defense? I don't know that. What would be acceptable? No lever guns, or shotguns? Glock on the hip or thigh? Musket?
That guy is a jackass. Find another group to think that you're a jackass. Pretty soon there are no jackasses left.
OK. We'll just pretend that they don't exist in the US....until they don't exist in the US. Just let them divide us until there's nobody left to divide.
That was a doomass move. I think it is more accepted in Utah than it would be around here though. It doesnt bother me that someone wants to carry their gun. But to go out of your way just to try to make a statement is dumb.
If someone like this guy would have been inside the Aurora movie theatre with the competence to understand the situation i am certain the outcome would have been different.
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^^^^THIS --- Pussies that vote for this socialized BS...and here we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
^This. As long as we allow 'them' to control the perceptions and drive the emotions, thoughts, conversations, then we lose... Is it a right or not? Last time I checked, perceptions weren't a pre-requisite (nor a litmus test) for a right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
You mean he had that there "assault rifle" out in public and it just didn't start shooting on its own? He must have trained it well. I get both sides of the view here, might make people think gun lovers are even more crazy just bringing it into a JC Pennys, but atleast he had the forethought to go into an area that it wasn't illegal, call the dispatcher to let them know what he was doing, and do it in a peaceful manner.
I saw a kid, couldn't have been more than 19 years old and couldn't have been 90lbs soaking wet open carrying a the flatirons mall last week.
This was the best pic I could get.
Why, was there something unusual about him?Quote:
Originally Posted by RCCrawler
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This is not the time to be giving the media visual images that will only reinforce our enemies arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Really? Please do share about what types of visual images and arguments you would use to combat the irrational emotions of our "enemies"?Quote:
Originally Posted by spqrzilla
Just the fact of what a huge target he has made himself out to be, remember the element of surprise is a good thing to have on your side. I have no doubt in my mind that my 14 year old daughter could have taken this kids gun away from him and smacked him upside the head with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Yes really. Just because the irrational emotions and knee-jerk reactionary public isn't something we like or approve of, doesn't magically make them not exist, or disappear for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
If he's less than 21 he can't get a CHP (CRS 18-12-203 (b)), so open carry is his only option for self-protection. Is there a problem with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by RCCrawler
What makes the fight we're in right now so difficult to win is that we have been hiding our guns "in the closet" for so long that seeing a gun in public has become associated with mass shooting and other criminal behaviors. Responsible open carry is something we should be embracing at this point to reverse this misconception.
I frankly find it pathetic that some gunowners consistely call open carry folks "assholes" etc. Divided we fall, and invisible we fall as well. Show people that good guys carry guns too. Open carry, be friendly doing it, answer people's questions patiently and politely. Be a good ambassador.
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Right up there with the anti's claim "Concealed carry will turn fender benders into shootouts at the OK corral!" The last thing a criminal wants to do is get into a gunfight where the odds are even. If they see a gun, they go elsewhere to find a softer target. Excceptions? Of course it's possible, but unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCCrawler
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I believe a CHP only applies to handguns. CRS ยง 18-12-105 states that it is unlawful to carry a firearm concealed. And since these is no permit to carry a rifle/long-gun/non-handgun concealed, the only legal way to carry an AR-15 is to do it openly.Quote:
Originally Posted by O2HeN2
I see nothing wrong with this story.
The Hangman - Maurice Ogden
http://youtu.be/znzzksxh6bY
Psychiatrists will tell you that the best way to deal with a phobia is to confront it. How can people who are afraid ever see the guns if they are hidden. Time to set up meet and greets on weekends and talk with people and explain in layman's terms. Let them see first hand the guns nor the owners are boogie men the media would have them believe. Maybe invite them to a range. More converts born on the range than anywhere else. Time to go out and win hearts and minds. One at a time. The same way they were stolen.Quote:
Originally Posted by O2HeN2
You can tell yourselves how important it is to do open carry around town to exercise your rights.
Or you can realize that we need political support, today, from people who are not going to react well to someone open carrying an AR down the street. From people who will not understand your point.
I've said it before... I'll say it again... I think Open Carry is a stupid practice.
Before you all jump my shit... Open Carry in rural areas is one thing. That I support 100%. Open Carry in a heavily populated area where Open Carry is not the normal or socially accepted thing is a bad idea.
Not to mention I don't want that kind of attention.
BUT! If open carry is what you wanna do... Knock yourself out. Just don't be a douche bag and cooperate with the police if they contact you.
Yeah, lets all hide in our basements and convince ourselves that we really have something important. Everyone stay in line and point and criticize someone who doesn't toe the line.
It has taken us a while to get to this point. Keep convincing yourself that the slide will stop some day soon and we won't be ostracized for actually believing in the right to bear arms. If you don't really believe it, why should anyone else.
I like the element of surprise, that's my choice for CCW.
He's in Utah. I'm not going to judge the guy based on what I don't know.
I'm concerned at the ease at which people that seem to have a common belief in our right to self-defense are so easily divided just based on what people might say. If you can be convinced that it's not socially acceptable to exercise your rights...where do you go from here?
Good for him! I for one think everyone (who is able) should carry, even if means an AR strapped across your back.............