The sad reality of the future

This has been a very interesting month. I wish I could say I was shocked and surprised by what I have read, but the reality is I knew before the first word what to expect. The lament that is so often heard when I am around folks my age and just older is "How the hell did this happen? How did oblama get elected much less re-elected? How have things slipped so far off course?"

The simple answer is that 90% of Americans are liberal on a scale of 1-100%. Oh sure there are those that will stomp their feet indignantly about that but the truth of the matter is you don't really have to dig but just beneath the surface to get it to bubble out. These people would never think of themselves as libs until you say the magic words that could only gore a lib's ox and "WALLA!!!" here it comes. It isn't limited to any topic. It could be anything from 2nd Amendment to cat soup. The pre and post 1980 divide is a chasm wider than the Grand Canyon. In fact you would be hard pushed to find 1% of the post 1980 population that even knows how to spell conservative much less knows what it means. Let's hear it for public schools and liberal art colleges. They have successfully molded the young skulls full of mush into block headed automatons. Original thought is as foreign a concept as is personal responsibility. The idea of right and wrong, black and white is too "judgmental".

The post 1980 lot are not solely to blame. Their predecessors have a portion of the blame due them. Theirs is not about being blissfully ignorant. No theirs is a worse crime because they had the benefit of the knowledge to know what they were witnessing was wrong, but their cowardice aided and abetted the unfettered decent. Self adoration and self gratification is always ahead of community and country. Is it any wonder that true patriotism joined common sense in the graveyard a long time ago.

America was always a country that allowed its deeds large and small do the talking. Which is why it became the envy of the world and the desire of the heart for all those around the world who valued freedom above all. But now all it is, is words floating on hot air generated by a citizenry that has never done a damn thing for this country but wants to take credit for the deeds of their predecessors while squandering the rights, liberty and freedom that so many of those predecessors sacrificed for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkPGlVqqEP0

The word is voila.


I can also spell conservative.

You live under a rock.

He's just so gosh-darned passionate about it. That's got to count for something, right?

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Originally Posted by Goodburbon

The word is voila.


I can also spell conservative.

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You are what is wrong with the nation!! You have no ability to understand this because you were born after 1980. Obviously, you are an idiot.

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I'm a 70's kid (barely). I have a liberal arts degree. I'm pretty dang conservative.

Welcome to Costco, I love you :-D

I was born in 1980 and I will agree a bunch of kids that went to school with are piles of lazinesd, ut to blame them for all that is wrong and going worse, is not really the answer. You want to be mad because the world is so stupid now, cool be mad. We aren't the the ones who made the PC boom in the 90's, we were kids. We didn't write the curriculum in school that directed us toward a nice, easy, high paying computer jobs and away from jobs where you use your hands. That generation of adults that taught us how to be lazy and jealous of what other people have might be a little more realistic place to blame. I'm not arguing that it isn't getting worse and probably going to get a lot worse but as the saying goes, "Don't throw rocks from your glass house."

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Originally Posted by TheBelly

I'm a 70's kid (barely). I have a liberal arts degree. I'm pretty dang conservative.

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You only think you are, dig a little deeper and your really a liberal!! [LOL][ROFL1]


Did I diagnose that correctly, as i took it from the op......?

At least the video clip was fun.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

At least the video clip was fun.

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a very funny movie

I think it is more a problem with the hippies and counterculture having kids and now controlling this country. My 12 year old son follows a more traditional set of values and embraces personal responsibility, but I was raised by a WWII vet and I hold his values.

I grew up in the 80's. I have views that would be considered liberal, but my views exist because of the concept of free will. I would trade in my desk chair and my keyboard in a heartbeat if I could make the same cash for the same hours doing landscaping or farming, but that opportunity isn't there. The PC movement hurt this country in ways that I suspect still haven't been fully revealed.

The difference between the stereotypical Conservative and Liberal is non-existent. They both want your money; they both want to tell you how to live; they both want you to accept their definition of morality; and they are both wrong for trying to dictate how anyone should live in the first place. The only difference, their approach.

Kids born in the 1980's and 1990's have been fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not all of them, but enough that I would not be willing to point a finger at a whole generation.

It's their music. It's their clothes. It's their politics. It's their morals. Are we the old people now, just blaming everything on the children and grandchildren WE raised?

I think the brush we paint with should not be so broad. Just my opinion.

Be safe.

I'm not even sure what I just read.

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Originally Posted by cstone

Kids born in the 1980's and 1990's have been fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not all of them, but enough that I would not be willing to point a finger at a whole generation.

It's their music. It's their clothes. It's their politics. It's their morals. Are we the old people now, just blaming everything on the children and grandchildren WE raised?

I think the brush we paint with should not be so broad. Just my opinion.

Be safe.

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well said sir [Beer]

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Originally Posted by waxthis

I'm not even sure what I just read.

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Enough to confirm what I've thought about the rest of his posts in general!

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Originally Posted by kraven251

I grew up in the 80's. I have views that would be considered liberal, but my views exist because of the concept of free will. I would trade in my desk chair and my keyboard in a heartbeat if I could make the same cash for the same hours doing landscaping or farming, but that opportunity isn't there. The PC movement hurt this country in ways that I suspect still haven't been fully revealed.

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I can agree with that for the most part.

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Originally Posted by kraven251

The difference between the stereotypical Conservative and Liberal is non-existent. They both want your money; they both want to tell you how to live; they both want you to accept their definition of morality; and they are both wrong for trying to dictate how anyone should live in the first place. The only difference, their approach.

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I STRONGLY dis-agree here. I am a stereotypical Conservative and there is a broad distance between myself and "Liberal". I dont want your money and I dont want new taxes and I want to end all entitlements. Now I do believe that some of our Conservative POLITICIANS bend a little too easily and pander far too much to the "moderates" in our country, which ultimately means they lean Left, with a twist. The way we fix this is to vote in stronger Conservatives and make it clear that pandering to moderates in this country is just not acceptable.

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Originally Posted by cstone

Kids born in the 1980's and 1990's have been fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not all of them, but enough that I would not be willing to point a finger at a whole generation.

It's their music. It's their clothes. It's their politics. It's their morals. Are we the old people now, just blaming everything on the children and grandchildren WE raised?

I think the brush we paint with should not be so broad. Just my opinion.

Be safe.

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When you approach it this way , 2 Bush II and now the second term for O has us at 12 yrs of war. Given voting age kids were between 6 & say 20 you have a decade and 1/2 of war era voting age kids. As i remember myself and others during the 60's & 70's a different approach is sought and folks tend to drift away from some of their beliefs.
Now if you ever have a conversation with our 29 yr old daughter that " liberal" mentality is no where to be found. I like it when she calls an says "There's some fukin hippies protesting, Think l'll go talk to them"
So no, Liberalism has not over taken todays society. The MSM and very well played Leftist use of social media, would have you believe it true.

Born in '84 and I'm conservative.

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Originally Posted by 10mm-man

You only think you are, dig a little deeper and your really a liberal!! [LOL][ROFL1]


Did I diagnose that correctly, as i took it from the op......?

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As you took it from the OP: meh.

In reality: way off base. :p

I guess I'm a 90s liberal.... Sad day

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Originally Posted by jackthewall81

I guess I'm a 90s liberal.... Sad day

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Go to the range and work it out of your system.

The communist infiltration of this country has been going on for a VERY long time. We've been warned and who can deny that at least some of these predictions were spot on.

Specifically:

"17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks."

"18. Gain control of all student newspapers."

"19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack."

"20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions."

"21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures."

"30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man.""

"31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over."

"36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions."

"40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce."

"41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents."

"45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike."

Past generations didn't pay attention or were collaborators to bring these goals to fruition. To simply blame the children of the 80's is too simplistic. They, as well as previous generations (ex. Baby Boomers), are the inevitable result of this slow insidious infiltration of our society

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Originally Posted by cstone

Kids born in the 1980's and 1990's have been fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not all of them, but enough that I would not be willing to point a finger at a whole generation.

It's their music. It's their clothes. It's their politics. It's their morals. Are we the old people now, just blaming everything on the children and grandchildren WE raised?

I think the brush we paint with should not be so broad. Just my opinion.

Be safe.

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As one of those "kids" you speak of, I agree completely with this. My parents have always been conservative (father not as much anymore because of his status within the community makes him have to play the neutral card too much- business owner, board member, politically connected, former fire chief, etc), they raised me to believe in personal responsibility, work for what I have, appreciate the value of money and things, love of country, and that led to my decision to serve my nation and go to war, so that others don't have to. I was blown away when I joined and soon became bitter because so many didn't join for a contributory effort toward something bigger than themselves, they joined FOR themselves to get out of it everything without giving too much. Some probably wouldn't even save a battle buddy unless it benefited them. Not saying all were like that, but more than I had envisioned upon enlistment. Like I said yesterday in another thread, an overwhelming majority of folks I went through basic training with joined solely for the college benefits. I'm pissed that things like duty, honor, sacrifice, and love of nation are now considered "old fashioned." The fellow vets I appreciate and consider brothers for life are the ones who put more in to their service than they got out, and we are a minority it would seem (I'd love to be proven wrong, but as far as 3rd BDE, 10th Mtn from 2006-2010 is concerned, my estimation would seem correct).

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Originally Posted by jim

When you approach it this way , 2 Bush II and now the second term for O has us at 12 yrs of war. Given voting age kids were between 6 & say 20 you have a decade and 1/2 of war era voting age kids. As i remember myself and others during the 60's & 70's a different approach is sought and folks tend to drift away from some of their beliefs.
Now if you ever have a conversation with our 29 yr old daughter that " liberal" mentality is no where to be found. I like it when she calls an says "There's some fukin hippies protesting, Think l'll go talk to them"
So no, Liberalism has not over taken todays society. The MSM and very well played Leftist use of social media, would have you believe it true.

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Well put! Sounds like you did right in raising your daughter!

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Originally Posted by Dave_L

Born in '84 and I'm conservative.

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Born just a year later and many of my friends would say I'm conservative, but I don't like being pigeonholed into that finite of a category- I would call myself a right-leaning, constitutionalist- or some have labeled me a conservative libertarian. I will consider them "fighting words" if you try and label me "liberal" like the OP... [Shake] So let's avoid broad sweeping generalizations that due to someone's age they must be more liberal minded than their elders...

I think the OP has a misguided definition of "Liberal Arts". Here is a quote I found regarding what Liberal Arts means today:

Modern usageMathematics, science, arts, and language can all be considered part of the liberal arts. Some subsections of the liberal arts are trivium—the verbal arts: logic, grammar, and rhetoric; and quadrivium—the numerical arts: arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy. Analyzing and interpreting information is also studied. Experience in the liberal arts aids in the formation and expression of well rounded opinions, via critical thinking.

so let me get this right. anyone born from 1980 - present must be a liberal who is under obamas thumb and does not posses the ability to think for themselves and earn a living, the old fashioned way? what a callous, narrow minded, ignorant thing to say. I have served in the marine corps, some of my best friends are still in and in the sandbox, fighting for your right to rant and rave. I was born in 89, served in the military and currently work in the oil field, I've been called every thing from a libertarian to a right wing terrorist by my co-workers. and yet still here I sit, still hating everything obama represents, I send my letters just like everyone else and like everyone else am upset about nothing being done. before you make another broad wide sweeping accusation such as the one you've made, think about how many other individuals out there are on the opposite side of the fence.

Okay a clarification. When I talk about the rift starting 1980 I am referring to high school graduates. Kids born since 1980 do not represent a large enough % of the voting age population to have effected the voting as it has been.
Obviously as predicted the indignant responses were the stuff of the sun rising in the east. I see that some don't know there is a difference between 90 and 100% or that if 1% are different that means only 99% are the same. I never said the victims of indoctrination indoctrinated themselves. My only concern is the results and consequences that stem from that indoctrination.

There was a mention that people born after 1980 have served in recent overseas conflicts. The number involved hardly equates to an entire generation. The last time a huge percentage of a generation served this country militarily was Vietnam. The vast majority of that generation born after 1980 would no more step up to serve in the military than they would help an old lady across the street, but they would assign an elk or a dog human rights.

For those who feel we are headed down the wrong road, I am simply saying that the reality is there are no bilge pumps big enough or fast enough to empty this hull of the black wave of ignorance that is sweeping over the nation. The future for those that care is going to be purely about survival. Those that disagree with me on this can not offer a single example in recorded human history that proves different.

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Originally Posted by Melvin

Okay a clarification. When I talk about the rift starting 1980 I am referring to high school graduates. Kids born since 1980 do not represent a large enough % of the voting age population to have effected the voting as it has been.

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I think I'd wager that the current 18-22 year old range has had a major effect on the voting as it has been. Obama did a pretty good job at getting college kids on board.

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Originally Posted by cstone

Kids born in the 1980's and 1990's have been fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not all of them, but enough that I would not be willing to point a finger at a whole generation. It's their music. It's their clothes. It's their politics. It's their morals. Are we the old people now, just blaming everything on the children and grandchildren WE raised? I think the brush we paint with should not be so broad. Just my opinion.

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Agreed. Although when I do get in a pissed off mood sometimes, I like say that Gen-X was the last "good non-lazy" generation that doesn't act mentally retarded much of the time, especially when concerning politics. But I realize that's an overgeneralization. But they're fun to make fun of.

Btw, I was born before the 80's, if it matters.

This all sounds vaguely familiar...

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." (Sir Winston Churchill, 1874-1965)

For what is worth, I'm not an 80's kid.

Bleh... 99.63 percent of the country uses arbitrary, official-sounding percentages to describe the remaining 0.37% of the populace, 100% of the time. I guarantee that 92.46% of the people on here agree with me. If they don't agree with me, they must be idiots who haven't "awoken" like I have, or even worse - not really conservatives. *shudder*

Sigh.

P.S. Wasn't this the guy that was damning people for wanting to hunt gorillas a few days ago? I'm sure the Jane Goodall crowd are crackerjack conservatives, one and all.

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Originally Posted by Melvin

Okay a clarification. When I talk about the rift starting 1980 I am referring to high school graduates. Kids born since 1980 do not represent a large enough % of the voting age population to have effected the voting as it has been.
Obviously as predicted the indignant responses were the stuff of the sun rising in the east. I see that some don't know there is a difference between 90 and 100% or that if 1% are different that means only 99% are the same. I never said the victims of indoctrination indoctrinated themselves. My only concern is the results and consequences that stem from that indoctrination.

There was a mention that people born after 1980 have served in recent overseas conflicts. The number involved hardly equates to an entire generation. The last time a huge percentage of a generation served this country militarily was Vietnam. The vast majority of that generation born after 1980 would no more step up to serve in the military than they would help an old lady across the street, but they would assign an elk or a dog human rights.

For those who feel we are headed down the wrong road, I am simply saying that the reality is there are no bilge pumps big enough or fast enough to empty this hull of the black wave of ignorance that is sweeping over the nation. The future for those that care is going to be purely about survival. Those that disagree with me on this can not offer a single example in recorded human history that proves different.

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So, for clarification, you're saying not every single person born after 1980 is liberal, but a vast and sweeping majority is? If so, I can partially agree with that. I can only provide examples from personal experience, and sadly a large portion of my HS graduating class (2003) are aligned to the left of center... It is shameful that so many in my generation would rather reap the rewards of others' hard work instead of taking some personal fucking pride and earning their own way in life.

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Originally Posted by Cthulhu

This all sounds vaguely familiar...

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." (Sir Winston Churchill, 1874-1965)

For what is worth, I'm not an 80's kid.

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I must have a lot of brains and no heart at all.

Had this forum been operational in the late 60's and early 70's, I am sure we would have heard the same complaints about "youth these days". It appears that every generation believes following generations are letting things go to hell-in-a-hand basket. Imagine the horror of the "Greatest Generation", as their kids embraced 1960's "flower power" and "free love". The country is still alive 40 years later. I graduated from Boulder High in the mid-90's, and there were A LOT of socially conservative kids in the school.

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Originally Posted by Melvin

Nobody likes me because I call them all idiots.

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I can't imagine why the entirety of the world population doesn't fit into your cookie cutter view of life.

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Originally Posted by jackthewall81

I must have a lot of brains and no heart at all.

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Ha! Don't worry, I've been conservative since I knew how to read...on second thought, you might want to [panic]. God forbid you turn out like me [ROFL1]

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Originally Posted by alxone

a very funny movie

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Almost more depressing than funny though. The welfare trash is breeding like rabbits, while smart people are not reproducing enough, hahaaa.

You want to fix America economically? You want the majority of American people to wake up?

It's quite simple.

Elect a FISCAL conservative and tell them to keep their damn social values out of politics. People are sick and tired of politicians trying to legislate morality.

The younger generation wants all people to have equal rights. The younger generation does not want the government telling us what we can do with our bodies or who we can choose to have as our partners. What we want is for the fucking government to get out of our lives and do what the government was intended to do. Balance the budget, protect the homeland and leave us the fuck alone.

I'm a TRUE conservative. A true conservative does not believe the government has the right to legislate morality, just like the government doesn't have the right to take money from me to pay for some crackhead and her 50 children.

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Originally Posted by BigDee

I'm a TRUE conservative. A true conservative does not believe the government has the right to legislate morality, just like the government doesn't have the right to take money from me to pay for some crackhead and her 50 children.

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Someone has to teach those 50 kids not to become generational poor. They certainly won't get it from their parents and their environment. The question is how?