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03-05-2013, 16:17
Robb

Watch your ass

http://washingtonexaminer.com/eric-h...rticle/2523319

Eric Holder: Drone strikes against Americans on U.S. soil are legal
March 5, 2013 | 4:09 pm | Modified: March 5, 2013 at 5:00 pm

Attorney General Eric Holder can imagine a scenario in which it would be constitutional to carry out a drone strike against an American on American soil, he wrote in a letter to Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.

“It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States,” Holder replied in a letter yesterday to Paul’s question about whether Obama “has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial.”

Paul condemned the idea. “The U.S. Attorney General’s refusal to rule out the possibility of drone strikes on American citizens and on American soil is more than frightening – it is an affront the Constitutional due process rights of all Americans,” he said in a statement.
03-05-2013, 16:33
merl

ya know that Ruby Ridge story is getting kind of dated. we could use a nice updated version with hackers and drones. this follows well the story of extremist groups at an all time high...
03-05-2013, 16:35
Robby30-06

Let's keep up on our trap & skeet practice I guess??
03-05-2013, 16:39
BPTactical

Should shake you to the core.

So much for "Due Process"
03-05-2013, 16:43
sellersm

You mean like this report? http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...ghting-at-jfk/

Quote:

The Federal Aviation Administration is looking into a report by an Alitalia pilot who said he saw a “small, unmanned or remote-controlled aircraft” on final approach to New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport.
The Alitalia plane was on final approach about 1:15 p.m. Monday, when the pilot saw the unmanned aircraft approximately four to five miles southeast of the airport, the FAA said in a statement.

“We saw a drone, a drone aircraft,” the pilot can be heard telling the control tower on radio calls captured by the website LiveATC.net. Later in the recording another pilot reports a similar sighting.

The FAA is investigating the pilot’s claim and the FBI is taking a preliminary look into this incident. The Joint Terror Task Force is also investigating, a source familiar with the investigation told ABC News.
The unmanned aircraft was flying at an altitude of approximately 1,500 feet, but the pilot did not take evasive action and the Alitalia flight landed safely, according to the FAA.
03-05-2013, 16:49
DeusExMachina

Fucking disturbing.
03-05-2013, 16:49
Dave

Also from a guy who let AR's go to drug cartels to try and prove a point.
03-05-2013, 17:00
Bailey Guns

Those damn right-wing extremists got it coming.
03-05-2013, 17:09
soldier-of-the-apocalypse

So they are taking our arms and taking up arms against us. and the libs think a tyrannical government is impossible [fyou] man this country is really starting to smell like SHIT!!!!
03-05-2013, 17:24
Fmedges

You can't pick and choose with part of the Constitution to follow. This will be brought up at their trials.
03-06-2013, 01:45
onebadfx4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fmedges

You can't pick and choose with part of the Constitution to follow. This will be brought up at their trials.

Lets hope it happens sooner than later.
03-06-2013, 05:27
JFQuest

When I read this... the first thing that came to mind was another Ruby Ridge type of incident, but this time it will go down as something along the lines of "survivalist/extremist home explodes due to unknown causes. Home/Compound appeared to have large cache of powder and other ordinance"... This does not give me a good feeling at all, and as I have told many it has nothing to do with Obama; I'd hate this decision from any president or his administration (past and present).
03-06-2013, 06:37
waxthis

You guys keep up the talk and one of you may be the first.
03-06-2013, 08:00
Kraven251

Quote:

Originally Posted by waxthis

You guys keep up the talk and one of you may be the first.

They would do this to make a very public point, I think it would backfire on them in ways they haven't thought about, but it will happen when they want to make an example out of someone they can't get on legitimate legal grounds
03-06-2013, 08:10
buffalobo

Maybe it wasn't such a good idea for us to move out of the city to the open prairie. At least in the a crowded metro area collateral damage may make them hesitate.
03-06-2013, 08:37
merl

Quote:

Originally Posted by buffalobo

Maybe it wasn't such a good idea for us to move out of the city to the open prairie. At least in the a crowded metro area collateral damage may make them hesitate.

nah, they'll just claim you were making bombs and something went wrong. Don't even have to admit to the drone :)
03-06-2013, 08:44
buffalobo

Quote:

Originally Posted by merl

nah, they'll just claim you were making bombs and something went wrong. Don't even have to admit to the drone :)

Damn, that would suck, getting blamed for the neighbors too.[Bang]
03-06-2013, 09:17
HBARleatherneck

Quote:

Originally Posted by buffalobo

Maybe it wasn't such a good idea for us to move out of the city to the open prairie. At least in the a crowded metro area collateral damage may make them hesitate.

i know, it could be bad.

except I never lived in the city.
03-06-2013, 10:12
Kraven251

Quote:

Originally Posted by buffalobo

Damn, that would suck, getting blamed for the neighbors too.[Bang]

Would depend on the neighbors
03-06-2013, 10:17
rockhound

Quote:

Originally Posted by merl

nah, they'll just claim you were making bombs and something went wrong. Don't even have to admit to the drone :)

This is the truth.............:(
03-06-2013, 11:07
Dingo

I don't know anything about the composition of the drones... I would think that the rotary-blade type affairs would be able to be disabled with birdshot, but what about other types? Would a skeet gun with some creative loading be able to down one?
03-06-2013, 11:09
HBARleatherneck

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dingo

I don't know anything about the composition of the drones... I would think that the rotary-blade type affairs would be able to be disabled with birdshot, but what about other types? Would a skeet gun with some creative loading be able to down one?

they wont necessarily be hovering 50 feet or less above your location. they can be miles out. little chance of you hitting one that way.
03-06-2013, 11:10
Dingo

What about spud guns? :-)
03-06-2013, 13:53
TheGrey

Ted Cruz is taking this seriously.

"Ted Cruz hammered Eric Holder earlier this morning on the issue of drone strikes against Americans. Holder had sent a letter to Rand Paul detailing circumstances under which the President could order a drone strike on an American. Cruz posed a hypothetical situation and repeatedly Holder wold not answer - he danced around the answer ..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh1PDrwq7cE
03-06-2013, 14:10
DeusExMachina

Heard something about Obama will be talking about "the national drone program" soon.
03-06-2013, 14:45
RevTracy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dingo

I don't know anything about the composition of the drones... I would think that the rotary-blade type affairs would be able to be disabled with birdshot, but what about other types? Would a skeet gun with some creative loading be able to down one?

Most of these drones fly so high you wouldn't even know they were up there. And that, plus the altitude at which they fly, makes it impossible to shoot them down with conventional rifles.
03-06-2013, 14:56
HBARleatherneck

you have obviously never heard jesse jackson explain it. you could shoot a drone down with an AR in jesse's world.
03-06-2013, 15:33
merl

in his world you could shoot down the moon with an AR

But yeah, armed drones will be up high enough that you wont even know they are there before it is too late.
03-06-2013, 17:31
Byte Stryke

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevTracy

Most of these drones fly so high you wouldn't even know they were up there. And that, plus the altitude at which they fly, makes it impossible to shoot them down with conventional rifles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

you have obviously never heard jesse jackson explain it. you could shoot a drone down with an AR in jesse's world.

and Blow up Railroads
03-06-2013, 18:37
bogie

This will be us soon. 2018 is only a few years away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cta8KBPAjE
03-06-2013, 20:44
Ridge

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/more_accurate.png
03-06-2013, 21:47
Great-Kazoo

Quote:

Originally Posted by waxthis

You guys keep up the talk and one of you are about to be the first.

fify
03-07-2013, 00:56
sniper7

Hopefully the first strike is after him. This son of a bitch needs to be imprisoned
03-07-2013, 05:11
GlockDog47

Scary shit. All this shit just trips me out.
03-07-2013, 05:19
Kraven251

SkyNet or Obama ...I'll take the war with the machines. Atleast that way I won't have to listen to the pacifists, the anti-gunners, or the FSA anymore.

I am now envisioning a hippy trying to give a terminator a hug.