RANT against Craigslist ad. Tell me this isnt one of you. Land Owner tag realted.

http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/spo/3673159765.html


Deer, elk and pronghorn landowner vouchers! - $1 (Colorado)



Colorado Parks and Wildlife is trying to give more of your hunting tags to landowners.

Senate bill 13-188 proposes to raise the percentage of tags landowners receive west of I-25 from 15% to 20%, and east of I-25 to 25%. Think about how this will affect your chances to draw tags in years to come!

Please write or call your Representatives and Senators and urge them to vote NO on SB13-188. And while you're at it, write the Director of Colorado Parks and Wildlife, Rick Cables, and tell him he should be ashamed of himself for selling out the average hunter to line the pockets of landowners and outfitters.

This bill will pass and you will never get those lost tags back if you don't email and call today!

the red portion is the craigslist ad. the below portion is my RANT Beware swearing offensive language below.

You have to be kidding me. So, if us landowners get extra tags we are getting rich? FUCK YOU. its not our fault some city fucks spend all their money on dildos and starbucks coffee. We spend our money on LAND. I have antelope on my property daily. They eat the grass that my cows should be eating. That costs me money in feed. And yet, I dont get to shoot antelope. I have to wait and get 7 years worth of preference points (or whatever it is now). If you want to protest landowner tags. FU Buy, some damn land and shut the fuck up.

This is something some communist piece of shit fuck stain would say. "private individuals and land owners should give us their stuff" because...


i dont think its fair that I cant hunt geese in denver by the zoo. I dont think its fair they wont let me do an "African Safari" hunt at the zoo.

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

i dont think its fair that I cant hunt geese in denver by the zoo. I dont think its fair they wont let me do an "African Safari" hunt at the zoo.

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That there is some funny stuff. [ROFL2]

Just don't bring any high capacity magazines for your safari.

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Originally Posted by cstone

That there is some funny stuff. [ROFL2]

Just don't bring any high capacity magazines for your safari.

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30 round .458 Lott or .416 nitro magazines fetch a premium. [ROFL2]

i was going to bring my 700 nitro express double rifle.

I agree with you hbar. What bothers me is seeing out of state guys draw a tag year after year but I don't.

PS I live in the city, buy an occasional Starbucks but defiantly don't buy any dildos.

Overall I give this rant a 8.9/10.

Chillax brah. It's not my fault you spent all your coin on some dirt and a fence. ;)

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Originally Posted by Irving

Chillax brah. It's not my fault you spent all your coin on some dirt and a fence. ;)

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didnt really come with the fence. i got screwed.

I have no problem with the Landowner tags, but the outfitters kinda irk me. I get that hunting is big business here in Colorado and guides are no different than anyone else out to make a living., but I do feel that residents should recieve a priority over outfitters/nonresidents. I started late and was not able to get any tags last season, so maybe this is a little bit of a tender subject for me. The only option left for me last season was to pop for a $1500 or more weekend that pretty much just included space in a tent and tags with what passed for a guide service. Just not a feel good moment or situation.

i may be wrong (probably) but, i dont think outfitters get special tags. outfitters will partner with private land owners and pay the landowner for those tags. outfitters having a Forest Service or Blm concession still have to have the hunter buy his/her tags over the counter or by draw.

so, your complaint, I believe is misplaced.

i have worked for two guides in the past, and their out of state hunters had to buy their tags over the counter. (the guides both were permitted for public Forest service land)

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/spo/3673159765.html


Deer, elk and pronghorn landowner vouchers! - $1 (Colorado)



Colorado Parks and Wildlife is trying to give more of your hunting tags to landowners.

Senate bill 13-188 proposes to raise the percentage of tags landowners receive west of I-25 from 15% to 20%, and east of I-25 to 25%. Think about how this will affect your chances to draw tags in years to come!

Please write or call your Representatives and Senators and urge them to vote NO on SB13-188. And while you're at it, write the Director of Colorado Parks and Wildlife, Rick Cables, and tell him he should be ashamed of himself for selling out the average hunter to line the pockets of landowners and outfitters.

This bill will pass and you will never get those lost tags back if you don't email and call today!

the red portion is the craigslist ad. the below portion is my RANT Beware swearing offensive language below.

You have to be kidding me. So, if us landowners get extra tags we are getting rich? FUCK YOU. its not our fault some city fucks spend all their money on dildos and starbucks coffee. We spend our money on LAND. I have antelope on my property daily. They eat the grass that my cows should be eating. That costs me money in feed. And yet, I dont get to shoot antelope. I have to wait and get 7 years worth of preference points (or whatever it is now). If you want to protest landowner tags. FU Buy, some damn land and shut the fuck up.

This is something some communist piece of shit fuck stain would say. "private individuals and land owners should give us their stuff" because...


i dont think its fair that I cant hunt geese in denver by the zoo. I dont think its fair they wont let me do an "African Safari" hunt at the zoo.

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HBAR,

In the interest of full disclosure, I'll confess that I live in the city and have purchased my fair share of Starbucks. I also enjoy hunting, especially with my sons. My youngest son (12 y.o.) was successful in his first deer hunt this year. We went with the DOW on private land out East of Denver. So my question to you, and it was something I was wondering about during the DOW hunt, is - can you offer the Cliff Notes version of the voucher program in Colorado? What are the benefits to; (a) the landowner, (b) the hunter, (c) anyone else who benefits?

My question is sincere. I am ignorant of the purpose and intent of the program and would like to learn more about it - especially from the perspective of someone with first-hand experience.

The one thing I *think* I learned from your post is that you have a problem with antelope consuming the natural feed that you want your cows eating. As a result, you'd like to see fewer antelope on your property. Increasing the number of vouchers you receive would allow you to do what? In terms of the opposition to increasing the percentage of tags being distributed as vouchers (if I understand that correctly), are they opposed because they feel like this will result in fewer public hunting opportunities?

Sorry for all the questions and I hope you don't mind educating me on this. I really am curious.

I really hope they can get land owners more tags. We used to without fail get landowner buck pronghorn tags, not so much anymore as landowners.

I live in the city and buy my fair share of Starbucks and dildos. I feel that if you own the land you should have free reign to do what you want on that land. Including killing any animals on your property that you find to be either a problem or just plain tasty.

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Originally Posted by ray1970

I feel that if you own the land you should have free reign to do what you want on that land. Including killing any animals on your property that you find to be either a problem or just plain tasty.

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Agree!

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Originally Posted by ray1970

Including killing any animals on your property that you find to be either a problem or just plain tasty.

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That would make every ungulate an endangered species on (most) private land.

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Originally Posted by ray1970

I feel that if you own the land you should have free reign to do what you want on that land. Including killing any animals on your property that you find to be either a problem or just plain tasty.

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I don't.

I didn't expect everyone to agree with my opinion. But that's the beautiful thing about a free society. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I'll expand on my comment to clarify my position. I'm not advocating taking out a whole herd of antelope for the fun of it, just because "I can", however if I own land, and decide my family is going to quit buying ground beef and frozen chicken breast, and live off of the local antelope population (eww) , then that should be my right.

But you do not own all the antelope on your land.

My feeling is that most people who own a large amount of land probably care enough to manage their resources in a responsible manner.

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Originally Posted by newracer

But you do not own all the antelope on your land.

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Then who owns the antelope?

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Originally Posted by newracer

But you do not own all the antelope on your land.

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That's right, its the kings meat you goddamn serfs...jkjk

I would also like to see owner tags go up, for the reasons mentioned above. I would bet people who live in those areas know a lot more about the populations and have to deal with them on an everyday basis.

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Originally Posted by ray1970

Then who owns the antelope?

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According to the Hunter's Education Course, big game species in Colorado are owned by the people of Colorado.

It must be different in some other states, as I have a friend in a Southern state who owns property where he feeds and cares for a large herd of deer. He seems to be able to cull as many as he wants each year, but is careful to assure the overall health of the herd - BUT - he manages all that himself, not the state.

DHC, I believe HBAR's gripe with the add is that it makes it appear that land owners are just sitting back, raking in the dollars, when in reality, there are tangible losses that come with land ownership.

Many landowners do make a lot of money off hunting tags, most probably do not.

There are already many ways a landowner can get multiple tags. My nephew had 7 deer tags last year for use on his property.

having wildlife on your land or use your land as highway ( such as deer, elk, antelope, buffalo, etc.) cost landowners money. period.

they break down fences. they tear down hay stacks, they eat the grass and alfalfa, that the ground we pay for produces. We improve the land, we work the land. Wildlife can then cause us to have to BUY supplemental feed for our own animals. And what do we get out of it? not much.
The DOW allows persons who own at least 160 acres to put in for landowner tags. I dont know all the ins and outs of it, but you dont get a bunch of tags to get rich on. Maybe the smart folks who paid good money for land in great Elk and Big Horn areas might make some money. AND THEY SHOULD. THEY PAID FOR THE LAND. If you dont like it, buy some land. Then we can see if you get rich from it. I have been to large mountain ranches where the elk population has devoured whole hay stacks of BOUGHT hay. I have seen these herds destroy fences. I guess landowners should get nothing for the damage and losses, because the city public thinks the animals belong to everyone. Its not welfare, if we feed them and get them a place to live, we should get a little something in return.

Why do they give land owner tags to begin with?

I would think part of it is, there is so much private land, that they know the wildlife lives on private land. They know that the animal herds could get too big, if they stayed on private land and were not managed. I think maybe they know its the right thing to do, to let land owners harvest a managed amount of animals for our personal use. Whether that be meat for our friends and family. Or to make up for some of the losses incurred because of wildlife by selling the tag to a city person who will harvest the animal.

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Originally Posted by DHC

According to the Hunter's Education Course, big game species in Colorado are owned by the people of Colorado.

It must be different in some other states, as I have a friend in a Southern state who owns property where he feeds and cares for a large herd of deer. He seems to be able to cull as many as he wants each year, but is careful to assure the overall health of the herd - BUT - he manages all that himself, not the state.

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he may have actually stocked the property. lots of game ranches back east and down south have stocked properties with tall fences, so there is no comingling of public and private animals. I know guys with Elk herds. I have owned buffalo and my cousin has a large buffalo operation in Erie and up near Irvings land. So, we can own game animals. They are not caught from wild herds and fenced in though.

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Originally Posted by newracer

But you do not own all the antelope on your land.

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Conversely, citified hippy f-cks from Fort Fun own NONE of the antelope on his land.

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

Conversely, citified hippy f-cks from Fort Fun own NONE of the antelope on his land.

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Actually I own just as much of them as you do or he does. For the record I am far from a certified hippy fuck and I take serious offense to your comment.

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I have been to large mountain ranches where the elk population has devoured whole hay stacks of BOUGHT hay. I have seen these herds destroy fences. I guess landowners should get nothing for the damage and losses, because the city public thinks the animals belong to everyone. Its not welfare, if we feed them and get them a place to live, we should get a little something in return.

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Do a search on "CDOW big game damage program" as the CDOW can help with payments for damage caused by big game for every thing from devoured hay, to destroyed fences, to in home damage caused by bears, to lifestock depredation. The CDOW will even help with cost to try to prevent further damage such as fenceing costs, etc.

Landowners / outfitters can get "special" tags. However, it is through the Ranching For Wildlife program and is a good deal for all. Landowners with enough land (and CPW will allow you to aggregate several landowners together under one program) can enter into the Ranching for Wildlife program. The landowner/outfitter then gets 90% of the buck/bull tags for the property and the public can apply for the remaining 10% of buck/bull and all the cow/doe tags allocated. The public who draw then get no-fee access to the private land. The outfitter gets tags with an extended season during which to sell guided / self-guided hunts onto the property.

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I feel that if you own the land you should have free reign to do what you want on that land. Including killing any animals on your property that you find to be either a problem or just plain tasty.

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Nope. Maybe coyotes and other pests, but not game animals. And, yes, I do own land with plenty of turkeys and deer, but we leave them alone unless we have a license for them. The game licensing system works pretty well, let's just leave it alone.

Also, I have a cousin who is a rancher. He doesn't make "a lot of money" on anything, but he manages his resources so he can make a living off the land. Wheat, hay, cattle and hunting (he's an outfitter too). You need to use all the resources of your land to make it pay, especially with what land costs these days. You just have to hope that a bad wheat crop will be offset by a decent price for beef, or vice versa.

I was never implying that I think we should be able to kill whatever was on our land. I agree the system is more or less working. I just find it ridiculous some people think landowners shouldnt get a special deal. If my neighbor has a herd of 100-200 antelope eating his grass, selling him a tag to harvest a couple per year isnt too much to ask. Me I never have more than 13 or so in the herd that frequents my place.

It makes me mad you have to own 160 acres to get LO tags, and the Outfitters lately think all of CO is their private reserve. I'm tired of putting up signs, tired of people telling me "I didn't know it was private property". Fuck people in general. Wish I could by land mines.

Wish instead of giving more LO tags, they would make it for 50 or more acres:)

I think this bill should not be passed as well. The DOW and the biologists should make the decisions, not some misinformed fuckstain beurocrats that do not listen to logic or reason when it comes to constitutional rights. How are they going to decide something on that which they don't listen to the experts.

The DOW was amazing at its job before they were forced to join with the parks. The parks were always in the Red. The DOW was always in the black.

Hello!!!!!!!!! Playing by the rules is for suckers. Look around. Pick any subject.

do what you need to do about animals depredating your livestock.

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

I was never implying that I think we should be able to kill whatever was on our land. I agree the system is more or less working. I just find it ridiculous some people think landowners shouldnt get a special deal. If my neighbor has a herd of 100-200 antelope eating his grass, selling him a tag to harvest a couple per year isnt too much to ask. Me I never have more than 13 or so in the herd that frequents my place.

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This seems to be a pretty important part of this. Landowners still have to purchase the tags.

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

the red portion is the craigslist ad. the below portion is my RANT Beware swearing offensive language below.

You have to be kidding me. So, if us landowners get extra tags we are getting rich? FUCK YOU. its not our fault some city fucks spend all their money on dildos and starbucks coffee. We spend our money on LAND. I have antelope on my property daily. They eat the grass that my cows should be eating. That costs me money in feed. And yet, I dont get to shoot antelope. I have to wait and get 7 years worth of preference points (or whatever it is now). If you want to protest landowner tags. FU Buy, some damn land and shut the fuck up.

This is something some communist piece of shit fuck stain would say. "private individuals and land owners should give us their stuff" because...


i dont think its fair that I cant hunt geese in denver by the zoo. I dont think its fair they wont let me do an "African Safari" hunt at the zoo.

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I'll come shoot a speed goat on your property if you let me...Seriously, PM me.

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Originally Posted by sniper7

I think this bill should not be passed as well. The DOW and the biologists should make the decisions, not some misinformed fuckstain beurocrats that do not listen to logic or reason when it comes to constitutional rights. How are they going to decide something on that which they don't listen to the experts.

The DOW was amazing at its job before they were forced to join with the parks. The parks were always in the Red. The DOW was always in the black.

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+1 Lickenstupid and the dems wanted to merge the two because of the state run bureaucracy was in the red. I am tired of the socialist political experiments. I will not be purchasing a hunting or fishing license in Colorado... I'll take my business to WY.

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/spo/3673159765.html


Deer, elk and pronghorn landowner vouchers! - $1 (Colorado)



Colorado Parks and Wildlife is trying to give more of your hunting tags to landowners.

Senate bill 13-188 proposes to raise the percentage of tags landowners receive west of I-25 from 15% to 20%, and east of I-25 to 25%. Think about how this will affect your chances to draw tags in years to come!

Please write or call your Representatives and Senators and urge them to vote NO on SB13-188. And while you're at it, write the Director of Colorado Parks and Wildlife, Rick Cables, and tell him he should be ashamed of himself for selling out the average hunter to line the pockets of landowners and outfitters.

This bill will pass and you will never get those lost tags back if you don't email and call today!

the red portion is the craigslist ad. the below portion is my RANT Beware swearing offensive language below.

You have to be kidding me. So, if us landowners get extra tags we are getting rich? FUCK YOU. its not our fault some city fucks spend all their money on dildos and starbucks coffee. We spend our money on LAND. I have antelope on my property daily. They eat the grass that my cows should be eating. That costs me money in feed. And yet, I dont get to shoot antelope. I have to wait and get 7 years worth of preference points (or whatever it is now). If you want to protest landowner tags. FU Buy, some damn land and shut the fuck up.

This is something some communist piece of shit fuck stain would say. "private individuals and land owners should give us their stuff" because...


i dont think its fair that I cant hunt geese in denver by the zoo. I dont think its fair they wont let me do an "African Safari" hunt at the zoo.

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As a 3rd generation landowner who has supported (read fed and provided habitat) wildlife in Co., I have not been able to draw under landowner preference for Antelope or Deer on my property with less than 4 points. I do not always wish to harvest an animal, but as I a, the sole provider on my land, I do wish that I could at least stalk them. We also stand 100% of damage done to crops by this game. We did try the Div of Wildlife damage claim procedure, but it is rendered pretty much useless in Eastern Co.

Personally, I do not believe that I have the right to sell tags.......I understand that is one manner in which to recover some of the costs of damage, I just don't like it any better than outfitters selling licenses.

Do to such opinions as the above, that are more and more prevalent each year, we chose last year to close our 20,000 + acres of land to hunting. In the past, anyone that would ask permission BEFORE they hunted, were granted such. We have thought the years, also allowed a large number of people the chance to use some areas for recreational shooting.

Continued feelings that as landowners we may provide all that is necessary for the survival as well as the betterment of all game, yet we should have a lesser chance for draw under land owner preference than others, will continue to promote a growing feeling of disregard directed to us.


Your choice, and many of you have made it, and sadly, others who still respect the contribution that landowners make, will continue to find areas open for hunting and recreation continue to shrink.


Cuss or discuss at your will, as I have presented my points, and will leave this thread alone.


For those of you who will give this thought without emotion, I Thank You for that.