Reply from Representative Dave Young

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03-25-2013, 22:22
butnewa

Reply from Representative Dave Young

I sent Dave Young an e-mail back on Mar 7, using a modified version of the RMGO template letter I asked him to -- Vote NO to - SB 195, SB 196, HB 1224, HB 1226, HB 1228, HB 1229

Well I jsut received a reply from him that I thought I would share.
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From: Dave Young <dave@repdaveyoung.com>
Subject: Re: Vote NO to - SB 195, SB 196, HB 1224, HB 1226, HB 1228, HB 1229
Date: March 25, 2013 3:08:58 PM MDT

Thank you for taking the time to contact me. Gun violence is a problem nationwide, and sadly, Colorado has been at the forefront of such tragedies.

Survivors of recent massacres can attest that the only thing stopping the barrage of bullets was that the shooter’s gun jammed. On July 20, 2012, in the Aurora theater, more than 70 people were killed and injured in 90 seconds. High-capacity magazines are what allow mass killers to act so quickly.

HB 1224 will limit firearm magazine size to fifteen rounds (with exemptions including shooting competitions and magazines purchased before the effective date).

Americans can legally buy more firepower than the U.S. military gives its service members on the battlefield. The standard issue for an American soldier fighting in Iraq is a 30-round magazine. The Aurora shooter used a magazine with 100 rounds.

House Bills 1228 and 1229 are companion bills regarding a requirement that all prospective gun owners pass a background check. According to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, from February 2011 through December 31, 2012, 389 persons prohibited for felony charges, 277 persons prohibited for arrests, restraining/protection orders with firearms restrictions and 90 persons prohibited for misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence related charges attempted to purchase firearms, but were caught using the background check system.

Criminals and other prohibited purchasers often avoid background checks by buying from unlicensed “private sellers” who are not required by federal law to conduct them. This loophole fuels a criminal market for firearms. HB 1229 will close that loophole, which is why I voted for it.

HB 1228 required prospective gun owners to pay for the $10 background check themselves, rather than continuing the existing practice of having these background checks financed by the state. I voted against HB 1228.

I appreciate hearing from you and have taken your opinion into consideration. Thanks again for getting involved in state government!

Dave
PS: If you want to keep tabs on my work in the House, let me know, and I’ll be sure to send you my newsletter!
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I am replying and telling him thank you for voting no on 1228...but because of his other votes, even though he is not my Rep, I will be giving money to his opponent during the next election.
Feel free to reply to him also.

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03-25-2013, 22:30
hurley842002

Re: Reply from Representative Dave Young

Quote:

Originally Posted by butnewa

Americans can legally buy more firepower than the U.S. military gives its service members on the battlefield. The standard issue for an American soldier fighting in Iraq is a 30-round magazine. The Aurora shooter used a magazine with 100 rounds.

And your point? This tool certainly doesn't understand the meaning of the 2nd.
03-26-2013, 00:13
Great-Kazoo

Been a few replies about DY after he had an open house? few months back.
He votes
Conscience 1st
03-26-2013, 10:04
Clint45

Like most of those who feel the UBC was a "good idea", he obviously was unaware of the small print which criminalizes vaguely defined "transfers" such as trades, loans, gifts, inheritance, or simple storage. Criminalizing the act of swapping rifles with a friend, loaning a shotgun to a co-worker for a hunting trip, or storing a gun at a relative's house while you go out of state is BIZARRE AND DRACONIAN as no other state has such a requirement, not even NY or IL.
03-26-2013, 10:10
Ronin13

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurley842002

And your point? This tool certainly doesn't understand the meaning of the 2nd.

He forgets to mention that our troops usually carry 7 of those 3 round magazines (standard kit is 210 rounds for riflemen)... oh and that the SAW gunner is usually outfitted with 2-3 200 round "porkchops" for his gun- and those are belts of ammo. So Dave clearly knows very little about the military.
03-26-2013, 10:16
Great-Kazoo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clint45

Like most of those who feel the UBC was a "good idea", he obviously was unaware of the small print which criminalizes vaguely defined "transfers" such as trades, loans, gifts, inheritance, or simple storage. Criminalizing the act of swapping rifles with a friend, loaning a shotgun to a co-worker for a hunting trip, or storing a gun at a relative's house while you go out of state is BIZARRE AND DRACONIAN as no other state has such a requirement, not even NY or IL.

Actually he was aware. However due to his "personal" opinion regarding guns, he chose to vote for any Gun restrictions put on the table. That type of mind set will never be changed or listen to reason, but go solely on an emotional response.
03-26-2013, 11:00
spqrzilla

His description of the law's exceptions is outright false as well.
03-26-2013, 11:06
Dave

If Americans can buy more firepower than the military I want to know where all the full autos are. Even older items you can get a NFA stamp for are upwards of 20 grand. Not many private citizens have a M60 or M249.
03-26-2013, 11:39
Ronin13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

If Americans can buy more firepower than the military I want to know where all the full autos are. Even older items you can get a NFA stamp for are upwards of 20 grand. Not many private citizens have a M60 or M249.

Screw that noise... I want an MG42... the SS's Buzzsaw! But those are even harder to find and cost even more... Look at that, we're not even as equally equipped as the military over 60 years ago!
03-26-2013, 14:21
blacklabel

Re: Reply from Representative Dave Young

I ran that damn fool off my porch while he was campaigning. I knew there was no hope in trying to compel him to vote appropriately after his urging me to support more taxes and socialist bullshit in my face.
03-26-2013, 16:47
Rucker61

I got the same reply, and sent this in return:

Get your facts straight. Nothing you voted for will stop any massacres at any time. Where were the mental health bills needed for the immediate safety of citizens? Why do you mention the Aurora theatre shooting, in which most people were killed and wounded by a still legal shotgun, not the AR, and not mention the Aurora church shooting, where an armed citizen ended the shooting before it turned into a mass slaying? "Gun free zones" still working for you?

Why don't you mention your complete intellectual dishonesty or willful ignorance in passing 1229 without amending it into a state without useless internal consistencies, like the ability for a gun owner to give a gun to his WIFE without a BGC, but if he loans it to her for more than 72 hours it's a crime, or if he sells it to her she needs to complete a BGC? Or with 1224, continuing to vote on the current language after it was pointed out that it makes nearly all autoloading handguns and rifles illegal? Was that your intent, or do you just not get it? What really gets me about your support for 1224 is that, without any other changes to protect our citizens, you're conceding the first 15 deaths, at a minimum. I call 1224 "We're willing to sacrifice the first 15 kids in a gun free zone" law. My kids in their school are just as vulnerable as they were six months ago, and elementary kids are notoriously poor tacklers of adults, even those distracting by reloading.

It's this kind of behavior that show rational thinkers that it was a purely partisan political effort to "do something" regardless of the efficacy of the outcomes of that effort. Seriously, to vote on those bills without having either the guts or intelligence to amend them into consistency, even if you don't understand that what you want won't come from these laws, shows me that the Democrats don't deserve to be in office. Why did you ignore the Colorado Sheriffs who explained multiple times, in great detail, that neither 1224 or 1229 aren't even enforceable, and an unenforceable law deters no criminal behaviour. I also wonder why you, sir, and your colleagues ignored the reports from the National Institute for Justice that explained why neither UBC or magazine capacity limits have any effect on crime. For shame, sir.
03-26-2013, 17:03
motorep

Quote:

Originally Posted by butnewa

I sent Dave Young an e-mail back on Mar 7, using a modified version of the RMGO template letter I asked him to -- Vote NO to - SB 195, SB 196, HB 1224, HB 1226, HB 1228, HB 1229

Well I jsut received a reply from him that I thought I would share.
-----
From: Dave Young <dave@repdaveyoung.com>
Subject: Re: Vote NO to - SB 195, SB 196, HB 1224, HB 1226, HB 1228, HB 1229
Date: March 25, 2013 3:08:58 PM MDT

Thank you for taking the time to contact me. Gun violence is a problem nationwide, and sadly, Colorado has been at the forefront of such tragedies.

Survivors of recent massacres can attest that the only thing stopping the barrage of bullets was that the shooter’s gun jammed. On July 20, 2012, in the Aurora theater, more than 70 people were killed and injured in 90 seconds. High-capacity magazines are what allow mass killers to act so quickly.

HB 1224 will limit firearm magazine size to fifteen rounds (with exemptions including shooting competitions and magazines purchased before the effective date).

Americans can legally buy more firepower than the U.S. military gives its service members on the battlefield. The standard issue for an American soldier fighting in Iraq is a 30-round magazine. The Aurora shooter used a magazine with 100 rounds.

House Bills 1228 and 1229 are companion bills regarding a requirement that all prospective gun owners pass a background check. According to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, from February 2011 through December 31, 2012, 389 persons prohibited for felony charges, 277 persons prohibited for arrests, restraining/protection orders with firearms restrictions and 90 persons prohibited for misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence related charges attempted to purchase firearms, but were caught using the background check system.

Criminals and other prohibited purchasers often avoid background checks by buying from unlicensed “private sellers” who are not required by federal law to conduct them. This loophole fuels a criminal market for firearms. HB 1229 will close that loophole, which is why I voted for it.

HB 1228 required prospective gun owners to pay for the $10 background check themselves, rather than continuing the existing practice of having these background checks financed by the state. I voted against HB 1228.

I appreciate hearing from you and have taken your opinion into consideration. Thanks again for getting involved in state government!

Dave
PS: If you want to keep tabs on my work in the House, let me know, and I’ll be sure to send you my newsletter!
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I am replying and telling him thank you for voting no on 1228...but because of his other votes, even though he is not my Rep, I will be giving money to his opponent during the next election.
Feel free to reply to him also.

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..and the horse you rode in on.
03-26-2013, 17:26
sniper7

EVERY SINGLE ONE of the dems needs to be out of a job next time around
03-26-2013, 22:54
Blockhead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rucker61

I got the same reply, and sent this in return:

Get your facts straight. Nothing you voted for will stop any massacres at any time. Where were the mental health bills needed for the immediate safety of citizens? Why do you mention the Aurora theatre shooting, in which most people were killed and wounded by a still legal shotgun, not the AR, and not mention the Aurora church shooting, where an armed citizen ended the shooting before it turned into a mass slaying? "Gun free zones" still working for you?

Why don't you mention your complete intellectual dishonesty or willful ignorance in passing 1229 without amending it into a state without useless internal consistencies, like the ability for a gun owner to give a gun to his WIFE without a BGC, but if he loans it to her for more than 72 hours it's a crime, or if he sells it to her she needs to complete a BGC? Or with 1224, continuing to vote on the current language after it was pointed out that it makes nearly all autoloading handguns and rifles illegal? Was that your intent, or do you just not get it? What really gets me about your support for 1224 is that, without any other changes to protect our citizens, you're conceding the first 15 deaths, at a minimum. I call 1224 "We're willing to sacrifice the first 15 kids in a gun free zone" law. My kids in their school are just as vulnerable as they were six months ago, and elementary kids are notoriously poor tacklers of adults, even those distracting by reloading.

It's this kind of behavior that show rational thinkers that it was a purely partisan political effort to "do something" regardless of the efficacy of the outcomes of that effort. Seriously, to vote on those bills without having either the guts or intelligence to amend them into consistency, even if you don't understand that what you want won't come from these laws, shows me that the Democrats don't deserve to be in office. Why did you ignore the Colorado Sheriffs who explained multiple times, in great detail, that neither 1224 or 1229 aren't even enforceable, and an unenforceable law deters no criminal behaviour. I also wonder why you, sir, and your colleagues ignored the reports from the National Institute for Justice that explained why neither UBC or magazine capacity limits have any effect on crime. For shame, sir.

Well said!
03-27-2013, 23:25
geo351

X100 well done !!!