Senate voted

Wanted to update you on what JUST happened on the U.S. Senate floor. It just passed 68-31 the Harry Reid motion to proceed on S.649.

NAGR pushed pounded them to support the Paul-Lee-Cruz filibuster, but we were 8 votes short.

This was the stopgap for gun control.

The Senate is now going to charge forward with universal background check legislation (Manchin-Toomey backroom deal), an assault weapons ban, and a ban on “high capacity” magazines.

Of course, the NRA ignored this fight. They were 100% AWOL.

Damn sad that we had so many Republican "turn coats" on this one. [Mad]

Here we go again...[Roll1] NRA this, NRA that... in the words of that random guy during the LA riots "Can't we all just get along." I'm seriously thinking about pulling all support for RMGO if my donations go to fighting the NRA instead of the democraps. [thumbdown]

ETA: Dudley, instead of bashing the NRA, how about trying to get them on the same page as you and the NAGR slogan of "No compromises, we want victory"? I understand they betrayed and murdered your father (Star Wars humor), but that doesn't mean they can't be redeemed.

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One of the main reasons I have never joined or financially supported RMGO is the constant NRA bashing. If Dudley would be more constructive in trying to bring the NRA to the "No compromises, we want victory" fold, I would be more interested in helping. But the continual sniping does not get my $$.

I am not happy with all the moves of the NRA, but most shooting clubs/ranges require NRA membership, not NAGR or RMGO.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Here we go again...[Roll1] NRA this, NRA that... in the words of that random guy during the LA riots "Can't we all just get along." I'm seriously thinking about pulling all support for RMGO if my donations go to fighting the NRA instead of the democraps. [thumbdown]

ETA: Dudley, instead of bashing the NRA, how about trying to get them on the same page as you and the NAGR slogan of "No compromises, we want victory"? I understand they betrayed and murdered your father (Star Wars humor), but that doesn't mean they can't be redeemed.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, here: his point is well taken! Where WAS the NRA? And who are they really supporting? Looking at their actions (which will always tell you something), one can conclude that they're not exactly in our corner 100% of the time...

I got an email from the NRA over this and they said they don NOT support it and will downgrade the senators rating.

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Originally Posted by sellersm

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, here: his point is well taken! Where WAS the NRA? And who are they really supporting? Looking at their actions (which will always tell you something), one can conclude that they're not exactly in our corner 100% of the time...

I agree, but instead of continuing to divide we should try and unite. By bashing and constantly talking trash it just further creates more resentment between orgs that should have a united front against the antis. The Dems are united against us, but we continue to bicker among ourselves, no wonder they're winning at almost every turn.

By the way, here is the list of (R)'s that sold us all out and voted "YEA"... along with their NRA rating that will surely be downgraded.
Lamar Alexander (Tenn.) – NRA A rated
Kelly Ayotte (N.H.) – NRA A rated
Richard Burr (N.C.) – NRA A rated
Saxby Chambliss (Ga.) – NRA A rated
Tom Coburn (Okla.) – NRA A rated
Susan Collins (Maine) – NRA B+ rated
Bob Corker (Tenn.) – NRA A rated
Jeff Flake (Ariz.) – NRA A rated
Lindsey Graham (S.C.) – NRA A rated
Dean Heller (Nev.) – NRA A rated
John Hoeven (N.D.) – NRA A rated
Johnny Isakson (Ga.) – NRA A rated
Mark Kirk (Ill.) – NRA D rated
John McCain (Ariz.) – NRA B+ rated
Pat Toomey (Pa.) – NRA A rated
Roger Wicker (Miss.) – NRA A+ rated

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Originally Posted by sellersm

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, here: his point is well taken! Where WAS the NRA? And who are they really supporting? Looking at their actions (which will always tell you something), one can conclude that they're not exactly in our corner 100% of the time...

I received numerous e-mails, regarding this legislation. Didn't you, are you a NRA member? Holy schmoly look here's one of the numerous E-MAILS I RECEIVED FROM THE NRA!

http://graphics.nra.org/ila/leg_alert/line.gif
Dear Colorado NRA Member:

The U.S. Senate is currently scheduled to vote on several anti-gun bills during the week of April 8. One, the so-called "universal background check" bill being pushed by Senator Chuck Schumer, would criminalize the private transfer of firearms between law-abiding citizens. This legislation would make it illegal for a family member to transfer a firearm to another family member without the federal government’s approval. According to a recent Department of Justice memo, the effectiveness of a universal background check system "depends on gun registration" -- which is illegal under federal law. In addition, no background check system will ever be truly "universal", as criminals do not submit to background checks.

Please contact your Senators Udall and Bennet and encourage them to oppose this anti-freedom legislation. Ask them to support real solutions that will reduce violent crime and keep our children safe -- fixing our broken mental health system; securing our schools; and prosecuting violent criminals.
Again, please email, tweet, facebook, write, and call your Senators Udall and Bennet today, and ask them to OPPOSE Sen. Schumer's so-called “universal background check” legislation, along with every other anti-gun proposal -- including Sen. Feinstein's proposed ban on commonly owned firearms and magazines. The future of our Second Amendment rights are at stake.

Contact Senator Mark Udall at:

730 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: (202) 224-5941
Click here to email
Click here to leave a comment on Sen. Udall's Facebook
@MarkUdallContact Senator Michael Bennet at:
458 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: (202) 224-5852
Click here to email
Click here to leave a comment on Sen. Bennet’s Facebook

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Originally Posted by RMGOdirector

Wanted to update you on what JUST happened on the U.S. Senate floor. It just passed 68-31 the Harry Reid motion to proceed on S.649.

NAGR pushed pounded them to support the Paul-Lee-Cruz filibuster, but we were 8 votes short.

This was the stopgap for gun control.

The Senate is now going to charge forward with universal background check legislation (Manchin-Toomey backroom deal), an assault weapons ban, and a ban on “high capacity” magazines.

Of course, the NRA ignored this fight. They were 100% AWOL.

Until you respond to my previous post in this useless, [panic] puff piece that you provided a link to, i see no reason to have any CONfidence in you.
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/98731-US...appen-tomorrow

I hope your intentions are in the right place, as they were in the past. HOWEVER i'm not seeing anything but divisiveness in anything you send out.

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Originally Posted by RMGOdirector

Of course, the NRA ignored this fight.

RMGO = one trick pony.

Ditto Jim's post.

Here's my comment to both of our Senators. Due to the fact that on this day you voted to infringe on the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, I feel that you no longer, nor have you in the past, nor, I assume, will you in the future, represent the majority of Coloradans, I will do everything that I can to ensure you will not be re-elected.

I've blocked all the spam/NRA hate emails from RMGO, sick of their bullshit.

Let's play the long game.

Sixteen republican senators;

a. Sold us down the river.
b. Voted to allow the bill onto the floor for debate.

Get the bill out there for debate. See what floats to the top and what sinks. Force the sponsors to defend this steamy pile of "legislation".

I'm hoping it's answer b anyway.

NRA not doing enough?
Just saw this posted to their FB page- and just did a little quick glance, this issue has dominated their page for about 3 days (I dare not scroll further as the dozens in just 3 days was enough).
National Rifle Association

Today, the U.S. Senate voted 68 to 31 on a procedural measure to begin consideration of a proposed gun control law. Please continue to contact your Senators in opposition to any anti-gun proposals, and encourage your family, friends, and fellow firearm owners to do the same! Write your Reps atwww.nraila.org/writeyourreps or call 202-224-3121.

If all these different gun rights groups would work together instead of bashing each other, maybe more would get done... This is why RMGO, NAGR, and Dudley won't see any of my money, and haven't in the past.

I may not be happy with all of the NRAs decisions, but they're still our strongest voice out there...

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

I agree, but instead of continuing to divide we should try and unite. By bashing and constantly talking trash it just further creates more resentment between orgs that should have a united front against the antis. The Dems are united against us, but we continue to bicker among ourselves, no wonder they're winning at almost every turn.

You bring two really good points worth rehashing, IMHO.
1) This is what they did in the last election. Divide, divide, divide us. And conservatives/republicans/libertarians/whatever all went along with it. It worked.
2) The dems have this "big tent" but within it are tons of natural divisions on various points they always seem to get past to unite and win. They sucker in high-earning single women or gays on reproductive stuff or gay marriage all the while ignoring how much they waste on entitlements (that those same women generally would not be for.) They love minorities, but minorities tend to be very much against gay marriage.

The dems get past BIG wedge issues within their "tent" but we divide over the smallest crap.

Just sent this PM to Dudley:

Mr. Brown,
Over the years I have ignored most of your NRA bashing, but the time has come for me to say something.

At this critical point in our nation's history, I would think that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" might be a bit more worthwhile than continuing your stance of alienation against the NRA. We, as Constitutional defenders, have more than enough enemies without fighting amongst ourselves.

Even if we don't all see eye-to-eye, I believe there is more that unites us than divides us.

I have never joined or financially contributed to RMGO and your attitude of continually striking out against the NRA is the biggest reason. You seem petty, selfserving and bitter.

Most of the alert emails I get form you come AFTER I have already received and alert from the NRA or NRA-ILA. Couple that with some downright ..... inaccuracies and falsehoods in some of your postings, and I am just about to the point of unsubscribing from your emails.

I would hope that you take this criticism constructively and refocus your energies towards working with the NRA against our common enemies.

While the NRA is not perfect and I do not agree with everything they do or don't do, we are still fighting the same fight. Hopefully you will see the value and sense in joining forces rather than continuing your divisive diatribe. We can do more together than separate.

Thank you.

X Xxxxx Xxxxxxx

Anyone else notice the lack of rebuttal from Dudley? -he probably spams every gun forum in existence. No interaction or backing up claims, just sky-is-falling, give me money nonsense. I'll admit, I foolishly joined RMGO a few months ago in hopes of warding off the CO legislation that is now moving forward as I felt that donating to every cause was needed. However, upon reflection, Dudley doesn't do squat but line his own pockets by bashing entities with similar goals. My money was ill-spent, it won't happen again.

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Originally Posted by hatidua

Anyone else notice the lack of rebuttal from Dudley?

I think I'd almost ask if anyone doesn't notice it. It is glaring. Especially for a Colorado-based lobby on a Colorado-based forum.

No need for him to get into petty arguments, but in my short time, I've seen two really compelling and sincere questions I would have loved him to address. $0.02

I've received no less than 6 calls from the NRA and countless emails from them in the past 5 days regarding this legislation. There are also YouTube videos, FB posts, etc...

Sounds like maybe the NRA was actually trying to engage people to get involved rather than bad-mouth other "pro-gun" organizations. I wonder why the NRA doesn't publicly bash the RMGO? Oh, wait...probably because RMGO is irrelevant in DC where the big boys play.

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Originally Posted by hatidua

Anyone else notice the lack of rebuttal from Dudley? -he probably spams every gun forum in existence. No interaction or backing up claims, just sky-is-falling, give me money nonsense. I'll admit, I foolishly joined RMGO a few months ago in hopes of warding off the CO legislation that is now moving forward as I felt that donating to every cause was needed. However, upon reflection, Dudley doesn't do squat but line his own pockets by bashing entities with similar goals. My money was ill-spent, it won't happen again.

Been off line for some time and came back to see if either of my questions in both of DUDley's threads were addressed. based on His failure to respond OR even a simple pm to me. He confirms once again my belief he is nothing but a bomb thrower.

Many of the Republican legislators I have met with believe RMGO is more destructive than beneficial and refer to Dudley as a political terrorist. Most of his message is good, but delivered in the most destructive ways. I have little hope that he will ever be anything but a divisive figure since he is making a decent living doing so. If others are successful at rolling back these laws, he will appear front and center and take credit for it, and get a bunch more money.

Senate voted

We lost the fight at home and are losing in Washington. Dudley that makes you a failure too if you want to point fingers.

Maybe you should step down, your methods and tactics are ineffective. Then you can focus on your anti-homosexual agenda full time.

I'd like to see RMGO get involved in this i2i lawsuit with the Sheriffs. That, IMHO, is our best bet.
It is all fine and good to talk about candidates for 2014, but we have to win this lawsuit, and that takes resources.

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Originally Posted by sellersm

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, here: his point is well taken! Where WAS the NRA? And who are they really supporting?

Did you miss this yesterday? NRA threatens to punish lawmakers on gun control vote despite deal

I'm sick of the RMGO spam for giveaways, pleas for money, and NRA bashing. I figured we needed all the help we could get with the local legislation and became a member this year. Never again.

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Originally Posted by Gman

Did you miss this yesterday? NRA threatens to punish lawmakers on gun control vote despite deal

I'm still waiting to see if he's a NRA member. Since he's out of the loop "Where WAS the NRA? " I'm going to say Not a member, as everyone else who is chimed in did receive info, regarding this. WITHOUT Fear Mongering and Finger pointing at other " UNCOMPROMISING Gun Rights" org's.

That was an article that was linked up on MSN.com home page yesterday. No membership required.

As an NRA member myself, I received all kinds of communications about the CO and national legislation with calls to action. Never saw the NRA bash another pro 2A group.

I'm honestly just sickened with all our elected officials, almost with the entire country. how in the fuck did we get in this situation. am I the minority of the will of the people? do that many people really want gun control? WTF

As the economy weakens, regulation increases. Barry wants another 94 cents in cigarette taxes (don't smoke, never have).

OOPS

http://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/displayR...uctibility=all

Its not over ........ Yet

Got an email from Dudley Brown/NAGR this morning, evidently surprised that Udall and Bennet voted for S.649.

Dear D. Jerry,

It was the most crucial Congressional vote on your right to keep and bear arms in twenty years.

Unfortunately, you’ve been betrayed!

The motion to proceed with Obama’s gun grab passed with the help of YOUR U.S. Senators, Senators Mark Udall and Michael Bennet.

That’s right -- Senators Mark Udall and Michael Bennet just VOTED FOR President Obama’s anti-gun agenda -- and AGAINST your Second Amendment rights.

Of the 41 pro-gun Senators we needed to hold together and stand with Senators Rand Paul (R-KY), Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX), we got 31.

Had just 10 more Senators voted "nay," we would have defeated this anti-gun legislation.

But Senators Udall and Bennet sold you out for an anti-gun “deal” crafted behind the scenes at anti-gun Senator Joe Manchin's black-tie-booze-a-thon on his yacht on the Potomac.

Please contact Senators Mark Udall and Michael Bennet and give them an earful!

You can reach Senator Udall:

*** By Telephone: (202) 224-5941

*** By Email: Click here to send Sen. Udall a message.

*** On Facebook:http://www.nagr.org/Images/FB_left.pngGive Sen. Udall a piece of your mindhttp://www.nagr.org/Images/FB_right.png!

You can reach Senator Bennet:

*** By Telephone: (202) 224-5852

*** By Email: Click here to send Sen. Bennet a message.

*** On Facebook:http://www.nagr.org/Images/FB_left.pngGive Sen. Bennet a piece of your mindhttp://www.nagr.org/Images/FB_right.png!

Let them know you won’t forget about their betrayal of you and your Constitutional rights.

D. Jerry, the fight goes on. This was just one step in the legislative process. While it was a crucial step, it is not the last opportunity we will have to stop it.

In fact, debate on this bill will continue into next week.

Gun grabbers will likely now try to load this bill with as much anti-gun legislation as they think they can get away with.

We here at the National Association for Gun Rights will continue to work day and night to keep you up to date on all of Congress’ anti-gun schemes.

D. Jerry, to do that I need your help.

Please contact Senators Mark Udall and Michael Bennet right away.

And, if you can, please consider chipping in $10 or $20 to help the National Association for Gun Rights keep up the fight.

Thank you.

For Freedom,

http://nagr.org/Images/DWBsigBlue.jpg
Dudley Brown
Executive Vice President

P.S. Senators Mark Udall and Michael Bennet betrayed you!

they voted FOR President Obama’s anti-gun agenda -- and AGAINST your Second Amendment rights earlier today.

Does Dudley actually think that Udall or Bennet actually care about the Constitution, freedom or our rights? Does Dudley not realize that Udall and Bennet are part of Obama's anti-American team?

This dude loses credibility with nearly every email he sends.

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Originally Posted by losttrail

Got an email from Dudley Brown/NAGR this morning, evidently surprised that Udall and Bennet voted for S.649.
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Does Dudley actually think that Udall or Bennet actually care about the Constitution, freedom or our rights? Does Dudley not realize that Udall and Bennet are part of Obama's anti-American team?

This dude loses credibility with nearly every email he sends.

I think he overlooks the minor fact that Bennet and Udall are (D)'s... Very few with that little letter behind their name give two shits about the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. And to agree with everyone else, I have yet to see the NRA bash another gun org... they're probably too busy fighting these antis to get into petty squabbles with the likes or Dudley Brown and his ilk. [Shake]