Been thinking about this, who in your opinion is the best President of the good old USA? I am think Regan, but Teddy.... What say you?
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Been thinking about this, who in your opinion is the best President of the good old USA? I am think Regan, but Teddy.... What say you?
Teddy is somewhat a founder of the progressive Bull Mooser movement. Far from my fave.
Reagan did a lot of good for the economy side, but he was not pro-gun and severely restricted some of our black ops functions, which some argue allowed the rise of many anti-American groups and terrorists. I am not sure I would even put him in the top 5, but probably the top 10. Teddy, yeah, not so much to even get him in the top ten.
Best Man, Best Leader, Best for the actual time in history...there are some that rise to the top, none that most of us were alive to see. Eisenhower was probably the last that really had the full meal deal. Lincoln definitely deserves to be in the mix as do Grant, Arthur and Adams for their policies and leadership.
I have to agree. What I'd like to know is who are the people behind the curtains? Who's REALLY running the show and giving the orders?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkCO
Thomas Jefferson, based on the number of quotes I agree with.
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Originally Posted by Ridge
I knew I should have gotten the illustrated version of history...
First one that comes to mind for me as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalmeow
George Washington or Thomas Jefferson
Agreed. From a philosophical point of view, Thomas Paine.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalmeow
To discuss true patriots, we'd have to go back a couple centuries.
Jefferson no doubt
I still sport an old NRA bumper sticker on my camper.
"My President is Charlton Heston"
BOB DOLE! Wait wrong thread sorry.
Always liked TJ but you can't forget how much of a badass Washington was.
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George Washington
followed closely by
Abraham Lincoln
Great point Mark, Barak Obama is easily my favorite black president.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkCO
Define "best". It's pretty hard to answer who was the best president without some sort of definition of what "best" means.
I certainly have favorites:
- Jefferson
- Washington
- T Roosevelt
- Reagan
- J Adams
Hard to say who was best...they were all good for different reasons.
Jefferson was an overrated hack. Quite without character or honor.
No one has ever been able to hold Washington's coat. A true military genius (most of the American Revolutionary Army generals did not even understand his strategy - at best Nathaniel Greene understood what Washington was doing and was his equal tactically). Once in office as President, Washington set the standard for conduct of the office that created important traditions we take for granted today. No one has ever matched his tenure.
Abraham Lincoln showed extraordinary character, and was quite an astute politician, more than most realize but not to Washington's level of either.
John Adams was a great man, who did important work organizing our country and leading our foreign policy efforts during the Revolution. But he was a poor President sadly. I wish he'd done better.
Jefferson wasn't without his faults that's for sure. But I think "overrated hack" is a bit of a stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by spqrzilla
Well, his tenure as President saw him contradict every principle of ideology he'd espoused to get into office. His secret funding of Callendar's scurrilous attacks on John Adams and his family even while pretending to be their friends showed that he was without honor and a backstabber. His time during the Revolutionary War was not all that admirable - he gets credit for the Declaration but what did he do the remaining half decade of the war? Not much.
I could go on. If you want to admire Jefferson, you have to do it with a blind eye to his hypocrisy.
I'm not blind to anything. But to call him an overrated hack doesn't seem like an honest appraisal in my opinion. Typical politician, maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
(Wrong button...)
I meant to also include that Jefferson made the LA Purchase, was responsible for the L&C expedition and started our "meddling" in North Africa against the Muslims. Just a few minor accomplishments as president.
Abe as the best POTUS, George Washington as the best General imho.
The best president this country had was Andrew Jackson. For all his faults he did the one best thing for this country. He killed the central bank of America. An unconstitutional entity and the greatest threat any nation faces. More dangerous than an invading army. And for this he is the best president EVER! (IMO)
No other president has resisted the bankers since. And in 1913 Woodrow Wilson (the scumbag) openly embraced them with the creation of the Federal Reserve. The country has gone to the crapper ever since.
William Henry Harrison, gotta love that tenure :)
In all seriousness though, I also have to go with Washington, if not for his military accomplishments and relinquishing power when he probably could have kept riding it, for the fact he lead a brand new nation into completely unknown waters without crashing the ship.
Calvin Coolidge.
JFK.
Any guy that was tapping Marylyn Monroe is OK in my book.
Lol.
- Jefferson
- T Roosevelt
- J Adams
We will never get back to the days of washington or jefferson, all modern presidents will and are piles of crap who are only interested in pushing the agenda that they feel will get them reelected
# 22 nails it Andy Jackson.
In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in a town in New Orleans
Jefferson for sure. He wrote a great amount of the Constitution and believed in the power of the people.
in May of 1941 the war had just begunQuote:
Originally Posted by jim
the Germans had the biggest ship
it had the biggest guns.......
oh wait wrong song, i notice how everyone praises lincoln so i'll join. I really like how he set the precedent for strong centralized federal control, the draft and federal income tax
Don't forget, Lincoln was later found (posthumously) to be liable to be impeached when he suspended Haebus Corpus... Not to mention the Civil War pretty much set a precedent so that no state could succeed from the Union, well very easily.
Ronald Reagan followed by Theodore Roosevelt.
George Washington
Without a doubt Reagan.
Oh, forgot to mention- my answer, in no particular order: Jefferson, Reagan, Eisenhower, and Teddy!
but he freed the slaves so everything else he did is for the common good ;) i put lincoln right up there with fdr and lbj personally......Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
as for my answer i would say washington, reagan, coolidge and jackson
Reagan, Coolidge, maybe Eisenhower.
Washington set one hell of a precedent by leaving office at the end of his term, and by asking to be addressed as "Mr. President" rather than the complicated European-style honorific that Alexander Hamilton dreamt up. I'm inclined to forgive him for suppressing the Whiskey Rebellion for that.
Abraham Lincoln, when he suspended Habeas Corpus, paved a wide road to hell for his successors to follow. Theodore Roosevelt was the same breed of progressive douche as his cousin Franklin. LBJ was the kind of greasy bastard that usually comes from Chicago. And the best thing that I can say about Woodrow Wilson is, well, f*** him.
Definitely Silent Cal. He's about the only one that could save the country now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
Oprah
coolidge. reagan mimicked him in many ways, was a big fan of his. people just don't know much about him.