Two more gun bills head to Colorado House

[Teufelhund]

^^ This.

"The choice is not between order and liberty. It is between liberty with order and anarchy without either. There is danger that, if the court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact."

-- Justice Robert Jackson, dissenting opinion in Terminiello v. Chicago

I don't think I can concur with the black and white philosophy of a Justice who didn't go to law school, appointed by the most blatant Marxist to ever hold the Presidency prior to 2008.

[Bailey Guns]

Where does "bearing arms" + "shall not be infringed" come into play with the various requisite hoops people are being asked to jump through?

Yes, I'm well aware that those who financially benefit from CCW training programs think this is just peachy, but isn't this putting undo burden on law abiding citizens who wish to exercise their rights?

I'm one that benefits from concealed carry training and you're wrong, as you have been when you've made this blanket statement before. Even though it would put a substantial dent in my annual income I'm an advocate of constitutional carry. Many other instructors on this site are against these types of laws as well.

So your "peachy" comment is as much bullshit as the hoops we have to jump through to exercise our gun rights.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I don't think I can concur with the black and white philosophy of a Justice who didn't go to law school, appointed by the most blatant Marxist to ever hold the Presidency prior to 2008.

His point was that the law WASN'T absolutist; in point of fact, YOU are the one trying to make a black-and-white determination of what is Constitutional. Not adhering to the absolutist philosophy is why the SCOTUS has held that you do NOT have the freedom of speech to the point of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

You need to bone up on the Google-fu (or Yahoo-fu or whatever the heck you use). Jackson went to law school (for a year), he just didn't graduate. Lots of country lawyers in our nation's history, he just happens to be the last one ever appointed to the Supreme Court. He also served effectively as the chief US prosecutor at Nuremberg and the US Attorney General prior to WWII. I'll take a non-graduate like Jackson over graduates like Eric Holder, Hillary Rodham, Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, David Souter, Michelle Robinson, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, or Lawrence Tribe any day of the week.

[Teufelhund]

His point was that the law WASN'T absolutist; in point of fact, YOU are the one trying to make a black-and-white determination of what is Constitutional. Not adhering to the absolutist philosophy is why the SCOTUS has held that you do NOT have the freedom of speech to the point of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

You need to bone up on the Google-fu (or Yahoo-fu or whatever the heck you use). Jackson went to law school (for a year), he just didn't graduate. Lots of country lawyers in our nation's history, he just happens to be the last one ever appointed to the Supreme Court. He also served effectively as the chief US prosecutor at Nuremberg and the US Attorney General prior to WWII. I'll take a non-graduate like Jackson over graduates like Eric Holder, Hillary Rodham, Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, David Souter, Michelle Robinson, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, or Lawrence Tribe any day of the week.

Are you saying you think it's fine our inalienable rights are conditional? Justice Jackson effectively said in the above quote, "Rights are subject to common sense restrictions." You're right, I do not agree and that is absolutist of me. You may have noticed (since you pasted it) that quote was an opinion with which the majority of SC Justices did not agree. Which other dissenting opinions offered by Democratic Justices do you think are sage advice?

It is not illegal to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater; it is illegal to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater when there is no fire.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Rub rub rub rub rub...

http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2013...-grab-victory/

SPIKING THE FOOTBALL: President Obama to Visit Colorado to Celebrate Gun Grab Victory

[SA Friday]

I'm concerned about that DV bill. I need to read it. I thought I heard it allowed denial for any DV arrest, period. Basically, arrest and no conviction on a DV and it doesn't matter. You lose your gun rights. Anyone have a link to the DV bill?

[stevelkinevil]

I'm one that benefits from concealed carry training and you're wrong, as you have been when you've made this blanket statement before. Even though it would put a substantial dent in my annual income I'm an advocate of constitutional carry. Many other instructors on this site are against these types of laws as well.

So your "peachy" comment is as much bullshit as the hoops we have to jump through to exercise our gun rights.

Agreed. I too derive much of my income from firearms and CCW training. However I am all for constitutional carry. There may be some instructors who feel it's "peachy" but I don't know any.

[Kraven251]

This is already federal law. It's a fucking waste of time and money to try to pass it again at state level.

Except the DV statutes in CO make the federal level look friendly.

[SAnd]

"They would have to relinquish firearms and ammunition."
I wouldn't trust them to return any weapons or ammunition back in a timely manner or undamaged condition.

[brokenscout]

That's what I heard also, a quick "legal" way forward in Gun Control and Confiscation. I see this ending poorly

I'm concerned about that DV bill. I need to read it. I thought I heard it allowed denial for any DV arrest, period. Basically, arrest and no conviction on a DV and it doesn't matter. You lose your gun rights. Anyone have a link to the DV bill?