My employer is pissing me off.

[ryanek9freak]

I would tell them exactly where to stick their implied demand. It's your phone, you pay for it, and they have no basis for asking you to change anything. God, people just need to STFU and stop worrying about who might get offended by something.

personally, if I were in the management's shoes, I wouldn't even want a customer who would be upset by something so fucking stupid.

[Pancho Villa]

You should change it.

Not because your boss asked, but because its not even a little funny.

As far as legalities go, I'm no lawyer. Morally, though, no one owes you a job, and a boss has the right to set the terms of employment. This includes the right to unreasonable terms of employment. I know in Texas they can let you go with no reason given - but Co. is a "right to work" state (whatever that means, last I checked unemployment was not 0% here,) so the legalities here may vary. But an employer can certainly find a way to let you go if its just a little creative.

Personally, as well, I don't know what bothers people about others not speaking english. I don't even speak spanish (2nd gen american, dad was actually an illegal who got legal by marrying mom,) but, you know, land of the free and all that. In addition, people who refuse to learn english are so obviously shooting themselves in the foot that its kind of a self-defeating option. Having lived in both SoCal and all over Texas, its been a bit of pain, but again, its hardly something to get pissed about.

Now, the politics of a lot of immigrants bother me, but thats hardly an isolated issue. The politics of most high school graduates bother me just as much or more than the politics of most immigrants. At least (most) Mexicans can tell you exactly how the Era of Hope and Change will end, since they come from a place where they already tried that.

Dad is an engineer at a division of Caterpillar, for anyone who's interested in that.

[ryanek9freak]

Whatever you say man...

[RRD3]

You should change it.

Not because your boss asked, but because its not even a little funny.

As far as legalities go, I'm no lawyer. Morally, though, no one owes you a job, and a boss has the right to set the terms of employment. This includes the right to unreasonable terms of employment. I know in Texas they can let you go with no reason given - but Co. is a "right to work" state (whatever that means, last I checked unemployment was not 0% here,) so the legalities here may vary. But an employer can certainly find a way to let you go if its just a little creative.

Personally, as well, I don't know what bothers people about others not speaking english. I don't even speak spanish (2nd gen american, dad was actually an illegal who got legal by marrying mom,) but, you know, land of the free and all that. In addition, people who refuse to learn english are so obviously shooting themselves in the foot that its kind of a self-defeating option. Having lived in both SoCal and all over Texas, its been a bit of pain, but again, its hardly something to get pissed about.

Now, the politics of a lot of immigrants bother me, but thats hardly an isolated issue. The politics of most high school graduates bother me just as much or more than the politics of most immigrants. At least (most) Mexicans can tell you exactly how the Era of Hope and Change will end, since they come from a place where they already tried that.

Dad is an engineer at a division of Caterpillar, for anyone who's interested in that.

Pancho,

I fully respect your opinion, in fact I fought and bled for the right to speak your mind as has every member of my family here since the early 1700's.
That being said I would NEVER disrespect another Country or their heritage and history by speaking my native tongue when I want to make a living in that country.

Why should I be asked if I want some government documentation in English or Spanish? Do you know how much this Country spends in printing documentation in two languages when the "official" language in this country is English? I can understand printing multi-language documentation for certain things. Airport security, immigration, and those items which deal with other international business or governments.

NOT when I go take a drivers test, go to the doctors, or call my freaking phone company. When I talk to them about my phone bill and ask them to send me a paper copy of my bill and they ask me if I want it in English or Spanish pisses me off considering I was talking to them the whole fucking time in English.

I find it god damn disrespectful for ANYONE to come to the United States for employment or any other reason and out right refuse to learn our language and at the same time raise their countries flag in celebration.
If your country is so good... go back there and speak what ever the fuck you want.

Cheers

[ryanek9freak]

Pancho,

I fully respect your opinion, in fact I fought and bled for the right to speak your mind as has every member of my family here since the early 1700's.
That being said I would NEVER disrespect another Country or their heritage and history by speaking my native tongue when I want to make a living in that country.

Why should I be asked if I want some government documentation in English or Spanish? Do you know how much this Country spends in printing documentation in two languages when the "official" language in this country is English? I can understand printing multi-language documentation for certain things. Airport security, immigration, and those items which deal with other international business or governments.
NOT when I go take a drivers test, go to the doctors, or call my freaking phone company. When I talk to them about my phone bill and ask them to send me a paper copy of my bill and they ask me if I want it in English or Spanish pisses me off considering I was talking to them the whole fucking time in English.

I find it god damn disrespectful for ANYONE to come to the United States for employment or any other reason and out right refuse to learn our language and at the same time raise their countries flag in celebration.
If your country is so good... go back there and speak what ever the fuck you want.

Cheers

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00

[Sixgun]

Don't be scared, keep it and lose your job. You'll find another one, trust me.

[sniper7]

You should change it.

Not because your boss asked, but because its not even a little funny.

As far as legalities go, I'm no lawyer. Morally, though, no one owes you a job, and a boss has the right to set the terms of employment. This includes the right to unreasonable terms of employment. I know in Texas they can let you go with no reason given - but Co. is a "right to work" state (whatever that means, last I checked unemployment was not 0% here,) so the legalities here may vary. But an employer can certainly find a way to let you go if its just a little creative.

Personally, as well, I don't know what bothers people about others not speaking english. I don't even speak spanish (2nd gen american, dad was actually an illegal who got legal by marrying mom,) but, you know, land of the free and all that. In addition, people who refuse to learn english are so obviously shooting themselves in the foot that its kind of a self-defeating option. Having lived in both SoCal and all over Texas, its been a bit of pain, but again, its hardly something to get pissed about.

Now, the politics of a lot of immigrants bother me, but thats hardly an isolated issue. The politics of most high school graduates bother me just as much or more than the politics of most immigrants. At least (most) Mexicans can tell you exactly how the Era of Hope and Change will end, since they come from a place where they already tried that.

Dad is an engineer at a division of Caterpillar, for anyone who's interested in that.

Has your dad paid his back taxes?

Did your dad learn english?

did you get special treatment growing up?

Those who don't learn to speak English do so for a reason...over in Brighton the non-english speakers petitioned to get their own wal-mart that was in all spanish... EXPLAIN THAT TO ME PANCHO

We don't find it funny either...we find it a serious problem.

[Sixgun]

I'm all Italian, my great grandparents came over on the boat. They all paid taxes and they all spoke English. Why do these Mexicans have a problem with learning our language? If Mexico is so flippin great why do they live here?

[Pancho Villa]

Has your dad paid his back taxes?

As far as I know, he paid taxes on his income as he got it, like anyone else.

Did your dad learn english?

No. He's a high placed engineer at a division of Caterpillar in SoCal that only speaks Spanish.

did you get special treatment growing up?

Those who don't learn to speak English do so for a reason...over in Brighton the non-english speakers petitioned to get their own wal-mart that was in all spanish... EXPLAIN THAT TO ME PANCHO

We don't find it funny either...we find it a serious problem.

Explain...what? I guess they wanted a place to buy mexican food and wal-mart wants to provide.

[Pancho Villa]

Pancho,

I fully respect your opinion, in fact I fought and bled for the right to speak your mind as has every member of my family here since the early 1700's.
That being said I would NEVER disrespect another Country or their heritage and history by speaking my native tongue when I want to make a living in that country.

Why should I be asked if I want some government documentation in English or Spanish? Do you know how much this Country spends in printing documentation in two languages when the "official" language in this country is English? I can understand printing multi-language documentation for certain things. Airport security, immigration, and those items which deal with other international business or governments.

NOT when I go take a drivers test, go to the doctors, or call my freaking phone company. When I talk to them about my phone bill and ask them to send me a paper copy of my bill and they ask me if I want it in English or Spanish pisses me off considering I was talking to them the whole fucking time in English.

I find it god damn disrespectful for ANYONE to come to the United States for employment or any other reason and out right refuse to learn our language and at the same time raise their countries flag in celebration.
If your country is so good... go back there and speak what ever the fuck you want.

Cheers

Thanks for being polite, RRD. I suppose I just don't see it as disrespectful. America wasn't built on English; so I find it a lot more disrespectful when anyone (immigrant, legal or illegal, or native born) starts speaking fascism/socialism as if its a great new idea. That is way more offensive to me than someone talking in a different language.

Those guys should really ask a mexican how the era of hope and change will end, their country is a lot further along that road than we are now, though with Obama at the head we seem to be taking leaps and bounds to catch up.

Edit: I agree with you completely on the government docs thing being in English. But I also don't think its a problem if a private business wants to offer a courtesy to people who may not be familiar enough with written English to be comfortable getting bills, contracts, etc in it. Of course, if its forced (like it is with French in Canada) then its crap.