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    According to records, documents, and Zimmerman's testimony- a lot of you are getting the narrative wrong. Sniper7 is not entirely accurate as to why they got permits- Zimmerman's own words were to the effect of a recent home invasion in their neighborhood led them to get their permits so they could protect themselves. tmckay2- you also make a very big assumption in saying Martin probably didn't even fight with Zimmerman. I invite you to watch the Hannity interview with Zimmerman (it's on YouTube), do you really think if the story he tells to Sean suddenly becomes different from his testimony to the detectives investigating that they would discredit him and more easily find him guilty? They'd uncover that in court and he's screwed. So either he tells the truth or tells the exact same narrative to Hannity, the detectives, AND in court. I have no reason to not believe GZ, I can give him the benefit of the doubt since the local CLEO deemed him okay to give a concealed carry permit. Go look at the narrative described to police- here's what he says happened (and again, he said this on camera with his attorney present so it could very well be the truth):
    He spotted TM walking in the rain, casually. Something didn't sit right with him, so he called the PD non-emergency line. He continued to keep visual contact with TM as he spoke to the dispatcher. He parked, got out, walked in the same direction as TM until he reached his street, where he stopped following TM and went to give the dispatcher an exact location for a police unit to meet him. He hung up. Looked up and was face to face with TM. TM asked (approx.): "What's your f***ing problem?" GZ responded: "I don't have a problem," while trying to reach for his phone. He looks up again and is struck in the face by TM. Somehow GZ is forced to the ground with TM on top of him striking him in the face and slamming his head into the concrete. GZ attempts to get onto the grass nearby so his head isn't further injured. All the while TM is cursing and threatening GZ. TM attempts to strangle and silence GZ as GZ calls for help. During the struggle GZ's shirt comes up revealing his gun. TM says "You're going to die tonight." At this point GZ is in fear for his life and struggles to get the gun. He fires. TM says "You got me." GZ is approached by a neighbor. Police arrive. TM dies.
    That's the narrative GZ told... Take it however you want, but I'm somewhat inclined to believe him, as I have no reason not to. And there is no other witness testimony.

    Needless to say- Martin would be alive today had he not hit Zimmerman. Plain and simple. If you doubt Zimmerman was in a physical altercation you obviously missed the aftermath pictures showing bruising and lacerations to his face and head.
    Last edited by Ronin13; 06-27-2013 at 11:02.
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