obongo wants to talk to your kids

[DOC]

But Bush wasn't the "one". He never got on Oprah's book of the month list. I have never watched an entire speech of his. And I don't think kids have the will to turn the TV off when he starts BSing everyone. Bush is not in office anymore, the people sticking up for Obama is going to have to get that thru their heads.

[Rampart Runner]

My post makes the point of the hypocrisy of every single person who said, "No president has ever done this before! panicpanicpanic"

It would only be hypocrisy if...if they were aware of the previous event and they approved.

I know you meant the panicpanicpanic as hyperbole but that is not the sense I get from people's reaction. One does not need to panic to have a well reasoned objection or concern.

[Irving]

But Bush wasn't the "one". He never got on Oprah's book of the month list. I have never watched an entire speech of his. And I don't think kids have the will to turn the TV off when he starts BSing everyone. Bush is not in office anymore, the people sticking up for Obama is going to have to get that thru their heads.

So this is an issue of you being mad that Obama got treated like a celebrity? What president doesn't?

Rampart, it would take 2 minutes doing a google search to check and see if another president has ever done something like this before. It has happened before, and the world didn't come crashing down then either.

[Rampart Runner]

Rampart, it would take 2 minutes doing a google search to check and see if another president has ever done something like this before. It has happened before, and the world didn't come crashing down then either.

Every day things happen that I neither approve of or endorse. The fact that the world didn't come crashing down does not change my position on these things.

[DOC]

So this is an issue of you being mad that Obama got treated like a celebrity? What president doesn't?

Rampart, it would take 2 minutes doing a google search to check and see if another president has ever done something like this before. It has happened before, and the world didn't come crashing down then either.

He wasn't treated like Bush was/is. I don't care for other people's crush on him either.

And the world doesn't have to be coming to an end in order not like this. They don't opperate in vast sweeping changes anymore. We are to aware of an external threat anyway. It has to be done in baby steps. The end is a micro step closer is a better description. But just like fighting gun control in its ever shifting way even if it doesn't sound that sweeping or bad is just as worth fighting. Hell the Brady bill had an experation date too. And it was slipped in as an amendment to begin with. Now we can't get away from it and its just getting fatter. They want a background check on private sales too.

[Irving]

I think we're going in different directions here.

Are you upset that Bush and Regan directly addressed school children in the past? Yes or no, and please explain why.

[Rampart Runner]

Have my posts been unclear? Do you need Rosetta Stone® like dear Preacher?

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showpo...37&postcount=6


You keep taking the position that you, "don't find anything in there worth getting upset about. You say you, "really don't understand what all the fuss is about". You say, "People who talk to kids are wasting their time, why get so upset about it?" And you say, "it just seems a little over blown to me".

Then you post links to articles that show it has been done before and that the world didn't come crashing down. The logic being that it is acceptable.
Well I couldn't disagree with all of your statements more strongly.

RR

[Irving]

I understand that people want to separate State from State. I agree that the only time religion or politics should enter the class room, is during a specific religion or politics class.

What I DON'T agree with, is that just because Obama wants to perk up some kids, that this is some sneaky communist agenda. That is total crap, and anyone who believes so should be embarrassed.

[Rampart Runner]

I agree that the only time religion or politics should enter the class room, is during a specific religion or politics class.

emphasis added

I never said that religion or politics should never enter in to the classroom. They are an integral part of our family's daily class activities and discussions. The freedom to engage in those topics in the way I wish them to be presented is one of reasons I chose to be the primary educator for my children.

What I DON'T agree with...that this is some sneaky communist agenda

The statists, socialists, fascists, communists, and nationalists are rarely sneaky. They all have clear and well defined agendas as well as publicly stated means to achieve them.

You are free to engage in what I believe to be blissful ignorance and assume this is of the purest and most innocent of motivations solely to "perk up the kids". I'll choose to be "embarrassed".


You have attempted to discredit those who do not wish Obama to address their children as illegitimate since Bush did so during his term. I point out that perhaps the objection is not that the children are being addressed as they object to the ideology of the addresser, and the impact that may have on their children in the absence of the parent. I find that sufficiently valid for protest.

[Irving]

What I'm trying to point out is that Bush did it, Regan did it, probably some other presidents have done it and will do it. This is not something Obama came up with. It's not new. It's not evil. Using the POTUS for a motivational speaker for children shouldn't be frowned upon any more than having a movie star, sports star, or some charity, or church group come in to talk to your kids.

It just seems pretty stupid to me, to hear people wanting to pull their kids out of school for this. Give me a break. If anyone wants to pull their kids out of school just because a democrat is speaking to them, those kids never should have been put into public school in the first place.