Unarmed Man Is Charged With Wounding Bystanders Shot by Police Near Times Square

[Squeeze]

And we all know exactly how much training outside of qualifying most LE's do. To me the nypd has as many officers who actually shoot in their off time as the boulder PD does, not many. Budget restraints, higher up / political mentality, puts actual range time / stress training somewhere below the union supporting a republican for office, in WIS. it is virtually non-existent. I know a few NYPD RO's and the stories i have been told (1st hand) you might as well have Tom Mauser as the firearm inst.

[Singlestack]

"If" this report is correct, which usually tends to show only one side, then this will set a bad president going forward.

Perhaps you meant a bad precedent? A bad president is Beeho.....

Ooops, someone else caught that first!!!

[Singlestack]

The amazing thing to me (in addition to the terrible marksmanship and discipline of NYPD officers) is the district attorney filing the charges on this. What that says bout the DAs office is amazing...you will never get a fair shake there for anything firearms-related.

[merl]

The amazing thing to me (in addition to the terrible marksmanship and discipline of NYPD officers) is the district attorney filing the charges on this. What that says bout the DAs office is amazing...you will never get a fair shake there for anything firearms-related.

This strikes me mostly as a CYA maneuver. If they can shift the blame on to the target the officers were firing at it shifts blame away from the department. You know someone is getting sued here, if someone has been convicted they are the responsible party...

[crays]

It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$. Shift the blame, duck the lawsuits.


Innocent Bystander: "I believe I'm due some compensation for being shot by a NYPD officer."
NYC: "But it was the crazy man's fault you got shot...sue him."

[muddywings]

Hopefully the following will help build a stronger relationship between the NYPD and the civilians:










just say'in

[Great-Kazoo]

It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$. Shift the blame, duck the lawsuits.


Innocent Bystander: "I believe I'm due some compensation for being shot by a NYPD officer."
NYC: "But it was the crazy man's fault you got shot...sue him."

Not defending the DA or that entire mentality, which clearly shows where you stand legal wise in NYC. Yes better training needs to be addressed. I agree,a lot of NYPD has no business in uniform let alone carrying a gun.
BUT............................................... .................................................. ....................

Numerous times the bystanders were asked to move back / get away from the area. Instead they crowded as close as possible to take pics and vids from their phones and other devices of the incident. Does that make them liable ? If your house is on fire and the neighborhood is blocking the hydrant access to the point the FD is unable to fight the fire, is it the FD or neighbors actions that made your home a total loss?

[merl]

If your house is on fire and the neighborhood is blocking the hydrant access to the point the FD is unable to fight the fire, is it the FD or neighbors actions that made your home a total loss?

It is not my fault that the FD was unable to control it and my neighbors house also burned down. That is pretty much the situation with these charges.

[crays]

(1) ... Yes better training needs to be addressed. ... BUT............................................... .................................................. ....................

(2) Numerous times the bystanders were asked to move back / get away from the area. Instead they crowded as close as possible to take pics and vids from their phones and other devices of the incident. (3) Does that make them liable ?

(1) Regardless of training level, and (2) an apparent lack of ability to control the scene, it is my opinion that the officer(s) should not have fired into a crowd. Blaming collateral damage on the perp (or even the crowd, as you suggest), is ludicrous, and it is my opinion that NYC is trying to "pass the buck", as it were. And (3) no, it merely points out their stupidity.

I'm just providing my opinion on how the situation presents itself to me.

[spideyar]

So if they had hit the guy, would they still be attempting to charge him with a felony? Perhaps "Felony theft of official NYPD bullets"?

It is frightening that ANY policy from NY City would make it's way out of that toilet. At this point if someone offered me an all-expense paid trip to NY for the SuperBowl next year, I would have to say "ain't no way".

Rambling additional comment: Yesterday on my way home from Cabela's, there were a couple of cop cars parked on the NB on-ramp at I-25 and EB Arapahoe. They appeared to be talking with a panhandler there. The situation appeared completely calm, though I admit I am not sure exactly what was up, but the cops seemed to be either shooing him off or doing a welfare check maybe.

The guy should be glad we don't live in NY - they might have tried to shoot him. Wait, I should be glad we don't live in NY - they might have shot me!