The Question No One here Wants to Ask

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I think the focus will be on the BGC law and how it's "not enough."

If this guy could pass the BGC it won't be enough in the minds of Liberals. They have to keep pushing until they total disarmament.

Skip, I think what MarkCO said about these people could also apply to liberals:

Even claiming to understand what occurs in the mind of such a person is folly. We use rational thought process to make choices because, in large part, we value human life.

I do agree with your underlying thought though: What amount of legislation would have stopped this? None.
By using a shotgun, which Biden and Obama both have embraced in order to look centrist, he basically defeated all of their arguments. At least in my mind.

[Skip]

Skip, I think what MarkCO said about these people could also apply to liberals:

I do agree with your underlying thought though: What amount of legislation would have stopped this? None.
By using a shotgun, which Biden and Obama both have embraced in order to look centrist, he basically defeated all of their arguments. At least in my mind.

Yep, agree.

It defeats their stated arguments but I am looking at what lies beneath; the desire to outlaw civilian gun ownership. They will twist and contort as necessary.

Remember this gem: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...ds-a-gun/?_r=0

I'll save you from seeing your dinner again...

We need to make it harder to buy guns (through background checks, waiting periods, etc.) both for those with criminal intentions and for law-abiding citizens who have no real need.

The would-be murderer had no demonstrable need to buy that shotgun, therefore, there is legislation that could have stopped this in the mind of a Liberal. It doesn't matter what the problem/non-problem is, Liberals stand by with ready-made solutions to advance their agenda. Applying a test to a right in this case.

You and I are looking at this problem as rational people who respect RKBA so we see it quite differently.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Yep, agree.

It defeats their stated arguments but I am looking at what lies beneath; the desire to outlaw civilian gun ownership. They will twist and contort as necessary.

Remember this gem: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...ds-a-gun/?_r=0

I'll save you from seeing your dinner again...



The would-be murderer had no demonstrable need to buy that shotgun, therefore, there is legislation that could have stopped this in the mind of a Liberal. It doesn't matter what the problem/non-problem is, Liberals stand by with ready-made solutions to advance their agenda. Applying a test to a right in this case.

You and I are looking at this problem as rational people who respect RKBA so we see it quite differently.

Luckily, with as many weapons as we have in this country and increasing every year, I think that train left the station sometime around 1776. I hope.

[Skip]

Luckily, with as many weapons as we have in this country and increasing every year, I think that train left the station sometime around 1776. I hope.

I sincerely hope you are right but my gut is telling me you are wrong. I think they will make a big play because they aren't going to get much further with 2A intact.

They are very closing to creating the conditions that make living and working in this country very difficult. People are going to resist that and they know it. They have every angle war gamed.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I sincerely hope you are right but my gut is telling me you are wrong. I think they will make a big play because they aren't going to get much further with 2A intact.

They are very closing to creating the conditions that make living and working in this country very difficult. People are going to resist that and they know it. They have every angle war gamed.

Even in a prison, weapons can be had.

[Skip]

Even in a prison, weapons can be had.

Yes, but not the force multipliers we need though. You aren't going to take down a dictatorship with a shiv.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

It's part weapon and part will.

While we currently have the weapons and no will, take the weapons and there is no hope to ever find the will. The things that made Americans noble and courageous have been taken from us as a nation (while I believe some of us have held onto those things individually). There is no difference between the average modern American and the conquered oppressed peoples in history. These are people who vote away our freedom for the false promise of free healthcare, income equality, or just an Obamaphone.